The Ministry of Reconciliation final part.

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To Know God.

This is it. The answer. Why did Jesus give His life? So we could know Them. So we could be Their friends. God made us to have relationship with Him. But sin and satan got in the way. How do I know this? Because Jesus told us.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (UKJV)

Eternal life is about knowing Them. I am going to look at one of the words to take this deeper. Also does the Old Testament support this?

Blue letter Bible website says:

Know- ginosko- G1097.

Perceive, understand, to learn to know, feel, have knowledge of, to become acquainted with. Be sure. Knowledge ground in personal experience.

It also says a Jewish idiom for sex between a man and a woman. I would say intimacy. This is a level of knowledge that I would say that most Christians don’t have. I thought it interesting that feel was in there. Lets think about this. When you meet some one for the first time you get to know them. You laugh with them, you cry with them, you share life with them. I think that God wants all of this, but at a deeper level. I am not saying that He wants to become your boy/girlfriend or wife/husband. But I think that God wants that level of intimacy with out the physical side. When you fall in love with some one feelings play a huge part in that. I think that God, Jesus and Holy Spirit want us to feel their love.

In many of my private times and worship times I have felt Their love. It is amazing. It makes you feel safe. God is love. 1 John 4:8. Why wouldn’t He want you to feel that love? They want to know you. All you have to do is say ok.

I had a look in the Old Testament for any kind of back up for this theory. This is what I found.

Jeremiah 31:31,34. Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. (UKJV)

I think Jeremiah is talking about everyone not just Israel and Judah. A new covenant. Jesus is that covenant. It says we shall all know God. The know here is very similar to the Greek. It does say to experience like in the Greek.

God wants to know you. He wants you to be His son/daughter but also His friend. That is the choice that we have to make. Not to be saved or born again but to want to know Them. God loves you what ever you choose. Doesn’t mater what religion you are or what you believe. Whether you believe in Him or not. Like the Father in the prodigal son story. He is waiting to see you and when He does He will run to you. He will hug you and kiss you and put His coat around you. He will place His ring on your finger and throw you a banquet. For once you where dead but now you are alive. You where lost and now you are found. Will you come? The choice is yours.

What Now?

Jesus did a lot on the cross. He healed the world, set us free, gave us new life, most importantly He has brought us back to the Father. The choice we make is to want to know Them. What does this new covenant mean for us today?

Jesus promises us His joy, His peace and His abundance. John 15:11, 16:24, 17:13. John 14:27,16:33 , John 10:10. He gives us life. John 6:33, 51, 10:10. He promises that we will always be in His hand and the Fathers hand. John 10:28,29.

Jesus gives us authority. Luke 10:19, Mark 16:17,18. His word through us will be confirmed through the accompanying signs. Mark16:20.

There is so much, which we have which we do not know or understand. This is why we need Holy Spirit to help us understand it all. Jesus wants us to continue His work. He wants us to tell the world about Him and His loving Father and Spirit. God doesn’t want us to suffer and never has. He wants us to live a good and fruitful life with out trouble and suffering. But the enemy wants us dead. The battle is in our minds. We need to have them renewed so we can see what Jesus has truly done for us. Once we get hold of this and realise who we truly are then God can use us to spread His word. God, Jesus and Holy Spirit loves you. Who ever you are what ever you believe. It’s not about joining a church and paying your membership fee so you can dodge hell. Its not an escape plan so you don’t roast for all eternity. It’s about Love. It always has been and always will be. Satan doesn’t want you to have a relationship with the Father. He wants you to suffer and worship him anyway he can get you to. But God wants you free. Who will you choose?

Know this. When your time is ended and you have breathed your last. There will be one person waiting for you. Jesus is His name. He will welcome you and look after you. You do not need to be afraid. There is no work required and no price to pay. Love is the only thing you need. All They want is for you to love Them and for you to love you brother or sister as yourself. Which means you need to love your self as well. How do I know this? I know this because Jesus is in charge of death now. Like Paul said death where is your sting. 1 Corinthians 15:55.

For us who know Them. Our Job is to show the world Their love. To be kind to the person who takes your parking space. To buy an umbrella for the homeless lady when it’s raining. To hold you sister when she is in need. Jesus sends us to look after those who are hurting whether physical or emotional. We are to be Him in this world. We can know Them like friends. Whether we can see Them before our time is up I don’t know. But They are with us all the time. Whether we feel Them or not. Always waiting. Always caring and always loving. Lets get out there and tell the world what They have done for us and for everyone.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you. (UKJV)

A word.

There is so much more which I could have put into this study. But I think I will finish it here. Please look into the scriptures. Ask Holy Spirit for help. He is always willing. All you have to do is ask. Don’t take my word for it. I write these blog’s and studies because I see a lot of hurt and suffering in the world. My heart is for the church. So many Christians that I have seen on line and in life all are wanting a true relationship with they’re Father. But they don’t know Him. If these blog’s and studies could help just one person then to me it is worth every moment.

I was lost once. Broken and hurting. Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit lifted me up and healed me. Yes there are still things that need to be healed but my Joy has been returned. The child that was lost has found his way again. All thanks to the love that They have shared. You don’t have to look all you need to do is turn. They are waiting.

God Bless you all for reading this and all my other blog’s. I pray that you will know the Father in the way the Son does. I pray for all you who are sick and suffering that the light of Jesus will come and heal you of what ever is wrong. I also pray that you will experience Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit in a new way and that you will feel their love like never before. God bless.

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 6.

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The Authority?

Who has the authority? If satan has been sacked. Who got the authority? We have seen that satan never really had it in the first place. I suppose you could say he borrowed it. What about now? God gave Jesus the authority. John 5:27, 17:2. Jesus has it and gives it to us. Matthew 28:18, Luke 10:19.

John 17:2 tells us that Jesus has authority over all flesh. As we have seen satan no longer has the authority Jesus does. The ruler of this world has been cast out. We are now to bring in the kingdom. Heal the sick, cast out demons, cleanse the lepers, freely have we received freely we should give. Mark 16:17,18. We will do greater works. John 14:12. Lets have a look at John 14:12.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (UKJV)

He that believes in me. The same works plus greater he will do. Not only will we do what Jesus did but greater also. What could we do that is greater than what Jesus did? What about the believe part? Lets have a look.

Blue letter Bible website says.

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Commit unto, commit ones trust, but in trust with, to think to be true, to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or doing something.

Is it that we trust that Jesus will do what we ask? Is it that we need to believe that Jesus can do these things? Is it that we need to believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

The way I would put it is if we have a relationship with God, Jesus and Holy Spirit and are Jesus disciples then we will be able to do what He did and more. We need to tell the world about what Jesus did and who He and His Father is oh and don’t forget about Holy Spirit. Jesus said that His works wore as a witness to who He was. John 5:36, John 10:25. Is it the works, which confirm the truth that is being told, and showing the kingdom is at hand. Mark 16:20. Would it be that by the works we do that will show that we do Gods works and in them show who we are in God?

The Trinity of the cross.

This is how I was taught about the cross and the events surrounding it from the Trinities point of view.

Jesus with Holy Spirit in Him was scourged, crown of thorns etc.. Taken to the cross. Nailed to it and died. All the sin of the world was put in Him on the cross as well as all God’s wrath and punishment. Jesus paid His Father the price and died. Went down to hell and set the captives free. He is resurrected on the third day and then goes to be with His Father. Then He comes back to wipe out seven eighths of the world and only a few remain who miss eternal torment. That’s the quick version. What really happened? Lets have a look.

I have mentioned the beating before. The beating was for our healing. But it was also for our sin. Does this mean He had our sin when He was being beaten? If we look at Isaiah 53 it tells us that He took our sins upon Him self.

Isaiah 53:5,6. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (UKJV)

The Septuagint says that He bears our sins. Could it be that sin was put on Him when He was being beaten? Why have I said this? The reason is that the sin could have been placed on Jesus before He was put on the cross. Which means that God was still with Jesus when sin was in Him. I believe that God has never had a problem with sin. As we will see God was in Jesus through His entire ordeal. From the garden to the resurrection.  How do I know this? I felt Holy Spirit tell me but I know that will not be enough. I will look at some scriptures to show you how I support this.

Jesus said He and His Father are one. John 10:30, 17:11. He also says that His Father will never leave Him alone. John 8:16,29, 16:32. He also says that the Father is in Him. John 14:10, 17:21. We also know that Holy Spirit is in Him. John 1:32,33, Luke 4:14, Matthew 3:16. The trinity are together from the garden to the resurrection.

Paul confirms this in 2 Corinthians 5:18,19 and Ephesians 2:13-16.

2 Corinthians 5:18,19 And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation. To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (UKJV)

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus all of you who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us;  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; in order to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace;  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (UKJV)

God the Father was in Jesus when sin was. He was in Jesus when Jesus was on the cross. I also believe that the Father experienced all that Jesus went through. It is a bold statement. But Jesus said He was not alone. OK for arguments sake lets say I am wrong. Lets say that all that I have shown you is just I using the scriptures to show you what I want. Well here is another side to it.

There is not one scripture anywhere that says that Holy Spirit left Jesus at any time. In order for Jesus to do the work He did and be a model for us He had to have Holy Spirit in Him. If Holy Spirit was in Jesus and never left Him that means that God was in Him and never left. Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father. Romans 8:9. This means that Gods spirit was in Jesus through it all. God felt every whip, ever slap, every punch. He was spat on. Laughed at. Beaten. Then nailed to the cross. God was right there with His Son and Spirit going through it all. So when you watch any Jesus film it’s not just Jesus on His own going through it all. It’s all of Them. What about in the Old Testament all the scriptures that say God cannot look upon sin?

Jesus answers this.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me. (UKJV)

This is just one of the many scriptures where Jesus says that up until that point no one had know the Father. He is even so bold to say that the devil is the Father of the Jews. Jesus said it not me. John 8:44.

But what about when Jesus cries out “my God, my God why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46. Oh. That’s right. Well that’s it then. Better stop now…..

Jesus not being able to breathe much or talk very well had to choose His words carefully. This phrase is actually from a psalm, which the Jews would have known. This is a quote from psalm 22. If you read the psalm there is a lot about Jesus in it.

This is the verse that interested me:

Psalm 22:21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for you have heard me from the horns of the unicorns. For he has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither has he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard. (UKJV)

Jesus was trying to let the Jews know that He was not alone. It would be like Jesus saying to us today “the Lord is my shepherd”. We would understand that He was quoting Psalm 23. This is a model for us. Even when Jesus had the sin of the whole world in Him God was right there with Him. As we know God cleansed Jesus of our sin. There was no payment required. This shows us that no matter what we do God is always there for all His creation. Just waiting for us to know Him. Jesus has removed all Obstacles so we can know Them. Here is one more scripture. It is interesting. I only noticed it recently.

John 17:5 And now, Father, let me have glory with you, even that glory which I had with you before the world was. (BBE)

The NKJV says together with yourself. Jesus is asking the Father to glorify Him with His Father. Both together. This also supports the theory that God was with His Son on the Cross.

The Veil.

I feel that this is a good place to talk about the veil. I have already spoken about it being torn but why was it? The veil was meant to protect man from God. So they wouldn’t die and only the priests where aloud to see or be with God. The veil being torn was God showing us that He is available for all and that we are His temple. Paul tells us about this in 1 Corinthians 3:16,17, 6:19. God wants all His creation back. Colossians 1:20.

Jesus did it for all.

This could have a study be its self. There is a lot of scriptures which tell us that all will be saved. I am only going to look at a few otherwise I might as well turn this into a book.

All are righteous, all are healed, all are saved, and all have His spirit. This is what I am going to look into.

All are righteous.

Romans 5:17-19. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  For as by one man’s disobedience all were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall all be made righteous. (UKJV. Edited by me)

I have changed the many to all. In my studies about this you need to look at the context. Why would Paul say all to start with then change it to many for the second part. Look into it for yourselves. This is just my thoughts. Its not gospel.

All be made righteous. That includes the wicked. Every one has been made righteous by God through Jesus.

All healed/Saved.

This is an interesting one. A lot of Christians say “when did you get saved?” they will then tell you their testimony. But as we will see everyone was saved 2000 years ago. When Jesus died on the cross. I am going to look at the translation of the word saved to show you why I have put healed with saved. I also have mentioned this earlier.

We shall look at John 3:17.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (UKJV)

Lets have a look at what the word saved means:

Blue letter bible website says:

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Make whole, heal, be whole. Keep safe and sound, To rescue from danger or destruction. Save from injury or peril. Deliver or protect.

The might in this verse I believe may have been added latter. When I have looked at other translations its not there. We only have to look at what Jesus says in John 12:47.

Even if you don’t believe He still is going to save you. Jesus makes us whole and heals us. All of us. I recently found an interesting scripture:

1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (UKJV)

Do you see it? Peter is telling us that we are born again at the cross. Begotten can translate as born again. If you join that with all are saved does this mean that all are born again? Does look that way. It is the resurrection that makes us born again not a choice we make.

Jesus heals us when He was beaten (Isaiah 53 by His stripes) and He also heals us when He was crucified. Jesus covered all the bases.

All have His spirit.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (UKJV)

God has poured out His spirit on all flesh. The bible tells us that all come from God. John 1:4, 1 Corinthians 11:12 and return to Him. Ecclesiastes 12:7. Joel tells us that God is going to pour out His spirit on all Flesh. The way that this scripture reads it sounds like its after Jesus dies. The big difference between us and Adam and Eve is we have the Holy Spirit in us. Is He in everyone? I think so. Jesus says that He will draw all peoples to Him self. John 12:32. How will He be able to do that? If Holy Spirit is in us then He will be able to do it. The translation for draw is drag off.

All flesh? What does that mean? Lets have a look.

Blue letter Bible website says:

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Flesh, body, kin, mankind, skin, of humans, of animals, all living things.

That’s all flesh. I have seen videos on you tube of animals looking after each other. Also animals taking care of humans. I believe that Holy Spirit is in everyone and every animal. Its whether we choose to listen to Him or not.

It would seam that Jesus has done it all to all. I believe He has not only restored us back to how it should have been in the garden but He has made things better. No longer do we have to be afraid of God. He is our Papa and He, Jesus and Holy Spirit are waiting for us to want to know them.

 

Continues with final part.

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 5.

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Satan.

I have covered some of this subject in my hell blog. It might be worth a read. I think I will get a bit of background before we go onto what is meant to happen to satan.

We would think that the first mention of satan would be in Job or you could say the serpent in the garden in genesis. I would say other wise. Jesus says that He saw satan fall like lightening to the earth. Luke 10:18. If satan is the serpent in genesis 3 then that would put him on earth around the same time as the garden was finished. If we look at the beginning of creation there is a little hint at when satan and his angels might have been cast down to earth.

Genesis 1:2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (UKJV)

The heavens and the earth have just been formed. The earth is without form void and dark. Lets have a look at the words.

Blue letter bible website says:

Form-H8414- Tohuw.

Vain, confusion, wilderness, waste, empty place, primeval place, Place of chaos.

Void- H922- Bohuw.

Void, emptiness, waste, undistinguishable ruin.

Darkness- H2822- Choshek.

Darkness, obscurity, secret place, misery, sorrow, wickedness.

There are some interesting words used for what the earth was like before light was created. Genesis says the light came in the first day. We are not told how long the earth was void for. 2 Peter 3:8 tells us that a thousand years is a day and a day is a thousand years. The earth could have been void for at least a thousand years. With words like wilderness and place of chaos I don’t think its to hard to believe that satan and his angels where on the earth first. All that evil. It would be a place of chaos. May be that’s why he doesn’t seam to like us very much. Because we where given what he would see as his kingdom.

Satan and his angels are on the earth. Adam and Eve sin. Satan is in trouble like the others. There is no mention of satan receiving any kind of authority. We only Think he got it because when Jesus is tempted satan says that he has all authority which was given to him. Luke 4:6. Was it? Jesus never agreed with him that it had been. The Old Testament tells us that everything belongs to the lord. Deuteronomy 10:14, Psalm 89:11, Genesis 14:22, Exodus 9:29, psalm 24:1….. And the list goes on. God gave dominion over all the animals to Adam and Eve. God also told them to subdue the earth. Could it be that satan some how took what was given to Adam and Eve. Satan was never given it. Jesus never said that satan had the authority. But Jesus did call satan the ruler or prince of this world.

Jesus mentions this in 3 scriptures in John. John 12:31, 14:30 and 16:11. Lets have a look.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. (UKJV)

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me. (UKJV)

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (UKJV)

Jesus does recognise satan as the prince or ruler of this world. Lets have a look at the word prince.

Blue letter bible website says:

Prince-G758- archon.

Ruler, prince, chief, magistrate, commander, leader.

He is called the prince of the devils in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Matthew 12:24, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15.

Magistrate is an interesting word for him. Jesus says that he was a murderer from the beginning and is a liar. John 8:44.

Could it be that because of sin satan had become our ruler or our jailer. That could be why he thought he had all authority.

I think that is enough about satan. Lets see what happens to him.

I am only going to use John for this. I know there is more in the Old and New Testament but this study is already long. I have already shown you the scriptures about satan. He had nothing on Jesus. John 14:30, he is to be cast out. John 12:31. and he is to be judged. In Isaiah 14 it tells us that satan will end up with the kings of old. This suggests to me that the judge here could be separate to be refined. What? I hear you cry. I thought satan was going to the lake of fire. Satan was created good. Why wouldn’t he be refined? That’s what love would do. Philippians 2:9-11 tells us that every knee shall bow and tongues confess that Jesus Christ is lord. That would include satan and his angels. God does not destroy or kill or torment. God is love. Jesus taught us that. There is a scripture, which would go against this theory. Hebrews 2:16. (I could not find any others. Let me know if you know of any and I can take a look.)

The new king James says that Jesus does not give aid to angels. This would suggest that angels are not to be refined. Hence satan will be destroyed. Lets have a look.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (UKJV)

I have looked at a few versions and there is a few that agree with the new king James but most of them are similar to the UKJV. What is the context of this verse? If you look at the next verse it becomes clear.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it was essential for him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (UKJV)

It is the nature of humans not angels that Jesus took hold of or became. That is what this verse is saying. Jesus didn’t become an angel to save us but a human. Not sure why the NKJV says it like this. Angels can be refined then.

I want to look into John 12:31. It has some interesting things about it.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. UKJV).

We know what judgement means and prince and world. Lets have a look at cast out.

Blue letter bible website says:

Cast- G1544- Ekballo.

Cast out, bring forth, pull out, send forth, drive out, to send out, be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world, to banish from a family, depart with haste, extract,

Out-G1854-exo.

Without, out of doors, forth, strange, away.

I think its save to say that satan has been booted out. Before I continue I would like to look at one more scripture.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. (UKJV)

The word I am interested in is destroy.

Blue letter bible website says:

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Do away, abolish, loose, fall, deliver, to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative, to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. Separated from.

There is more but I think you get the point.

Satan and his angels have been made unemployed. They have no more power or authority. Jesus has the authority now. How is it then that there is still sickness, war, disasters, evil in the world. Satan is a liar. We are told to renew our minds. Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:23. we are told that our struggles are not against the flesh but against the spiritual hosts and rulers of darkness. Ephesians 6:12.

We fight against the enemy. But how does he still have power? How has he ever had power? Though us. He got Adam and Eve to sin. He got Cain to kill Abel. He got Jesus’ own people to kill their messiah. He is the master of lies and manipulation. Just because he is unemployed doesn’t mean he can’t us our power against us. The power of the tongue is a mighty thing. It has the power of life and death. Proverbs 18:21.

I heard a story about a young boy who was being bullied. His bully told him every day to die. That’s what happened to the boy. He died. It is all around us everyday and we have become blind to it. James warns us of this power and how we should bridle it. James 1:26, 3:5,6,8. Be careful what you say.

I believe that satan convinces us to accept some sufferings. Like some sickness. We feel symptoms. We then talk to our friends and look on the Internet. We then go to a doctor who confirms what we have been thinking and saying. All the time the enemy is continuing to tell you that you are ill. How do we defeat it? Stop it before it starts. What about the symptoms?

Could it be that sickness is a lie? Is it that the enemy convinces us to accept it? We are bombarded all day long with adverts and news stories about sickness and what to do about them. I wonder if we stopped listening to the world about sickness and suffering and listen to God whether we would be healed.

Fear is a powerful weapon but love has conquered fear. Fear has been cast out. 1 John 4:17.

Hosea 4:6 says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Isaiah 5:13 also says my people have gone into captivity because they have no knowledge. Is it this simple? Drugs give a quick fix but don’t fix the root of the problem. Are we being blinded?

Now I am not a doctor. I am not telling you to stop all your meds and trust for your healing. If you are ill and take drugs to help then keep taking them. Ask God for wisdom. Trust in Him. He will guide you. But don’t let the enemy have His way. We need to be careful and wise. Jesus tells us “Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves”.  Matthew 10:16. We have an enemy who wishes to devour us. Peter tells us to be vigilant. 1 Peter 5:8.

Satan knows all the tricks to get his way. He has been doing it for a very long time. We can overcome him. He is a defeated foe. Do not listen to fear but trust in the Lord for satans time is finished. He is not the ruler anymore. Its time we reminded him of that.

 

Continues in part 6…..

Is the world ready?

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After finishing my series on wrath i found myself reading a comment on facebook about God taking away and God giving. I set to putting my point of view only to be met by alot of hostility. Its then that i realized that may be the world isnt ready for it yet.

When i was praying about the wrath subject i found it hard to cope with the idea that the God of the old testament was not who i thought He was. The bible had been my foundation for all my life. Having been to bible school and being part of my church worship group i always went to the bible for help. Now you tell me its not the right picture. I thought. It was a huge blow. But Holy Spirit showed me that He, Jesus and God needed to be my foundation. After all, the disciples didnt have a bible to use at first. They completely relied on Holy Spirit like they had with Jesus.

What i am trying to do now is not get angry with anyone who doesnt believe what i believe but try and treat them like Jesus would. That is with love. I could have got it completely wrong. If i have then i am sorry for that. But i find it hard to believe in a God who would give cancer to teach a lesson Or kill a loved one to teach humility.

At the end of the day we are all on our own journeys and we will all meet Jesus to talk about what we did on this earth. When i see him i want to be able to say that i told them about you.

Be blessed.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Conclusion.

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This has been the hardest study that I have done so far. I have been a Christian all my life and it went against everything that I had been taught. The one thing that surprises me when I think back to what I believed is that I was more comfortable believing in a God of wrath than a God of love. This has really opened my eyes. I have also begun to notice in the New Testament parts that don’t show a God of love. But I see Jesus in it all. The book of John has really helped my understanding about Jesus and what He taught about His Father.

I chose what I believed to be seven of the more known stories from the Old Testament which, on the surface, shows a God of wrath. I hope that I have given you a different look at these stories to try and find a God of love. I would recommend that you go over these studies again and just let Holy Spirit reveal the truth to you.

One thing I have realised is that I have been studying these things for over three years but you might be reading this for the first time. This is why I say take your time. Chew it over. When I first learnt these things it took me a while to understand and accept. But with Holy Spirit’s help I now am at peace with it.

What we have seen is God always warned about sin and its consequences. He doesn’t curse. He doesn’t punish. He is always there with open arms waiting for us to come. It would seem that God can be restricted in what He can do by free will. He saves, protects and makes a way for us to escape. We have also seen that satan is real and is out to destroy us in any way he can. But God is always there to rescue us. It would seem that satan in many of these stories was waiting around to pretend to be God so these men would go and destroy in Gods name. This would explain why people were scared of Israel and their prophets.

In the Cain and Abel story there was no blood sacrifice. He didn’t banish Cain. It was Cain who said about the separation. Fear of being without God is a huge tool that the enemy uses against us. For many reasons we believe that God doesn’t care or has abandoned us. But this is not true. God is always with us whether we believe or not. Ps 139:7-11, Jerm 23:23, Jn 12:47

I said in the flood story that it seemed that God repented. He didn’t say the word but in His actions toward the flood it would be classed as repentance. I have since found this scripture, which is interesting.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it? or has he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (UKJV)

God doesn’t repent. It’s clear. Which means He can’t have made the flood happen. It must have been satan. Satan wants us dead. All of us. God doesn’t.

We have seen that God doesn’t like burnt offerings or sacrifices. He doesn’t like killing or murder. One thing about the Moses story. Which I didn’t cover. When the 10 commandments are given it says thou shalt not murder etc. One of the first things that Moses does when he comes down from the mountain is get the Levites to kill 3,000 people. How is that keeping Gods commandments? Did God wipe Moses out because of this breaking of the Law? Fear, destruction, intimidation and murder seems to be a running theme through most of the bible. We need to read it through Jesus’ eyes. With love.

As we have seen from what Jesus teaches, Love is His only commandment. Jn 15:12,17. Love Him, His Father and each other.

I believe that Jesus came to undo all of what had been learnt about God. I think that Jesus showing us His love was Him showing us His Father’s true nature. After all, He is the truth. Jn 14:6.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.(UKJV)

Jesus brought us grace and truth. Not fear and lies. If we look at the scriptures they tell us this.

God is Good: Ps 119:68, Ps 107:1, Mark 10:18

God is Love:   1 Jn 4:8,16

God is Truth:  Jn 14:6, Titus 1:2, Numbers 23:19 (He can not lie)

God is Light:  James 1:17, 1 Jn1:5, Jn 8:12, 1:9, 3:19

God is good to all:

Ps 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.(UKJV)

If God is all these things and Jesus is God, which means they are one and the same, God cannot be evil, hate, tell a lie and have darkness in Him. Jesus told us many times that as you have seen Him you have seen the Father. Jn14:9. Jesus came to undo all the lies that satan had told about God.

God is Love not wrath. He wants to love you and doesn’t require any payment for it. Jesus didn’t take a God bullet for us. He took away all the obstacles so that we could know the Father and His love.

I hope that this series of studies will help you to see that God loves and there is no wrath or evil in Him. Jesus came to show us that. I believe there is no wrath in God and all the evil and wrath in the bible is only from satan. Man does play his part in some of that evil but only by the influence of the enemy.

Know this. No matter what you do God loves you. No matter where you go God loves you. No matter who you are there is a place for you with Him for all time.

God is waiting for us to accept His love and realise that He has always loved us and will never leave us.

What do you believe? Is God wrathful? Or is He Love?

I know which one I believe.

My prayer for you, whether you believe or not, is that God will show His love to you in a way which you have never known before. I am not asking you to become a Christian nor am I trying to ram it down your throat. God loves you, Jesus loves you and Holy Spirit loves you, they are waiting for you to come into their arms so they can reveal themselves to you. Holy Spirit will help you. All you need to do is ask Him.

Like I always say. Test these things and don’t just take my word for it. I am sharing these things because of the freedom they have brought me.

May God bless you and keep you.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Seven.

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The Ten Plagues of Egypt.

This is my final story that I will be looking at. This was another hard one to do because of how iconic it is and how much it says that God instructed Moses to do what he did. From the very start at the burning bush, I have questions about this whole story.

I am going to be looking at the story from the burning bush to the last plague. I am not going over all of the text, as there is quite a lot to cover. Just the parts for this study. Lets have a look at the story from the old testaments point of view.

Exodus 3 is where we begin.

Moses is looking after his father-in-laws sheep when he comes to a mountain called “the mountain of God”. Unlike the cartoon version, Moses is not in a cave. The angel of the lord shows up in a bush on fire and tells Moses that he is standing on holy ground. They then have a conversation about the cry of Israel and how God wants Moses to tell Pharaoh to let His people go. Moses finds out Gods name. Even after seeing a stick turn into a snake and his hand withered Moses still isn’t keen, because he stutters. God says Moses can take Aaron along but Moses has to get Israel free from pharaoh.

Moses goes off and tells the elders with Aaron. They then go to pharaoh and the battle for Israel’s freedom begins. Ten plagues later and pharaoh kicks Moses and his people out. They then go off and the story continues.

This is the quick version. You can read the whole story from Exodus 3.

A few things that got my interest before we carry on.

The snake, the plunder and the Withered hand.

First I noticed the withered hand. Why would God wither Moses hand? He already showed Moses the snake stick. Surely the people would believe with out having to have Moses hand withered. Surely that would be enough for any man to convince them it was God that Moses had talked to. Exodus 4:1-9.

Straight after the snake, Moses hand is withered. God then says if that doesn’t convince the people then throw water on the ground and it will become blood.

Why would God turn a rod into a snake (the form that satan used in the garden) Gen 3:1. wither Moses hand and then say to turn water into blood. It doesn’t seem right to me. The snake clearly scared Moses.

EX 4:3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.(UKJV)

Then his hand is withered. This doesn’t seem like a God of love to me. Surely God would have changed the rod into an eagle. Something less threatening. It could have something to do with the Egyptian gods but why would God scare Moses. Another thing of interest is the plunder. God strikes Egypt with ten plagues then robs them. It doesn’t add up to me. Here is something else which is strange.

EX 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband are you to me. 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband you are, because of the circumcision.(UKJV)

This has always confused me. I have had a look to see what it says on the Internet and I think I know why. Moses son had not been circumcised. Because of this sin and because of the new leadership role, being the new spiritual father of Israel, could this be why God wanted Moses dead? Even though God had just given him the instruction to set Israel free? Does that make sense?

The plagues.

Ten in total. Not very nice. Moses goes to pharaoh, asks for his people to be let go. Pharaoh says no. Each time until the last, a new plague comes as a punishment to pharaoh and his people for defying Gods wishes. The interesting thing about the plagues is that Israel suffered some of them as well. If you look, there are only a few that say that Israel was separated from the plague. Another interesting thing is on the second plague pharaoh tells Moses to go and take the Israelites with him.

EX 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Implore the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.(UKJV)

He implores Moses. The frogs go then God hardens his heart. From the start of this God says to Moses that He will harden pharaoh’s heart. Doesn’t quite seem fair to me. EX4:21. Also God said early on about the tenth plague.

EX 4:22 And you shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 4:23 And I say unto you, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, even your firstborn.(UKJV)

That makes Israel Gods firstborn. But what about Adam? Wasn’t he Gods first born?

What did Jesus teach or say about Moses?

Jesus references Moses to the leper. Matt 8:4, there is the transfiguration story. Moses comes to visit Jesus. Matt 17:3 there is the reference to what Moses says about divorce and death, Mark 10:3, 12:19. Matthew, Mark and Luke talk about the same references.

There are many references to Moses in the gospels but Jesus doesn’t mention the ten plagues. He does mention the burning bush passage but only in Mark 12:26 and Luke 20:37. The Matthew account does hint to it but doesn’t say it the same as the other two. Moses law is mentioned also. Luke 2:22, 24:44, John 1:17, 1:45.

How would Jesus have dealt with this?

Jesus would have warned the Israelites to flee Egypt. He wouldn’t want anyone to suffer or die. Even His enemies. Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. He wouldn’t want them to suffer. Matt 5:43. He would have told Moses not to send the plagues, like He did with the sons of thunder, when they wanted to call down the fire from heaven. He wouldn’t have been waiting to kill Moses after asking him to go to pharaoh. He also wouldn’t have withered Moses hand to convince people who He was. He would have healed not hurt.

What do I Believe? 

I believe it wasn’t God in the bush. WHAT? I hear you cry. Why would God use a snake and wither Moses hand. It scared Moses. I don’t think God is into scaring people. Also you have the plunder and the blood. Doesn’t sound like God to me.

Update: 24.08.2016

It was brought to my attention that Jesus calls himself I AM. Jn 8:58 which I believe is in reference to Exodus 3:14. This caused me a lot of problems because Jesus acknowledges that He was there and that I AM is Gods name. That means that it must have been God talking in the burning bush. After much prayer I think I have come up with a possible solution. In chapter 3 God tells Moses that He has heard the cry of His people and He wants to do something about it. He says He will deliver them in verse 8. The sign that God says first is that the people will serve God on this mountain.

Ex 3:12 And he said, Truly I will be with you; and this will be the sign to you that I have sent you: when you have taken the children of Israel out of Egypt, you will give worship to God on this mountain.(BBE)

So far there is no God of wrath. It’s only towards the end of this chapter that God says He will smite Egypt with His wonders. That shows that its God that sends the Plagues. But why would He say that the sign to Moses would be the people serving Him on the mountain after they are free. Could it be that God stopped talking and satan took over. We are told by Jesus that false Christ’s will deceive the elect. Matt 24:24, Mk13:22. Paul tells us that satan goes around like an angel of light. 2 Corth 11:14. Could it be that it was satan that continued where God left off. satan could have been waiting in the wings for God to finish so he could have his way. Like I have said before satan gave David instruction as if from God. From the smiting onwards I believe that it was satan talking to Moses. That would explain the fear of the snake, the withered hand and the plagues.

He has been trying to wipe out mankind since Adam. Why would he not try and do it now. Why else would the rod turn into a snake and the withered hand? God does not inflict sickness on people. Especially not to convince them to do His will. What about Job I here you cry. That is a study for another time. But I will say that I don’t think it was God then either. I don’t think it was God who wanted to kill Moses before he even started. Why the circumcised flesh stopped the angel I don’t know. May be it was all to reinforce the law.

I believe that satan influenced Moses to inflict the plagues so that he could destroy the Egyptians and the Israelites at the same time. It might have been satan who caused the plagues but it also could have been Moses. There are other accounts of people commanding the elements. Joshua stopping the sun. Joshua 10:12. Joshua told the sun to stop, God didn’t tell him to do it. Elijah and the rain. 1 kings 17:1. Elijah told the rain to stop not God. God didn’t command Elijah to do it. In the New Testament Paul makes a man blind. Acts 13:11. The sons of thunder wanted to call down fire from heaven but Jesus stopped them. Luke 9:54. Could it be that Moses had the power to command these things? God did say in Genesis that we where to subdue the earth and have dominion over the animals. Could it be that Moses used that power to do these plagues? The only exception would be the tenth plague.

I believe that the tenth plague was satan trying to kill all the first born. May be to in-rage pharaoh to kill the Israelites. It did make him go after the Israelites and chase them to the sea. As far as the blood on the posts. I don’t believe that God wanted that. God could have stopped the angel with out the need for sacrifice. As we know in my other blog’s I have said that God doesn’t like sacrifice and offerings.

I believe that God was trying to warn Moses about the plagues and the destruction of Egypt. May be satan spared the Hebrews from some of the plagues to in-rage pharaoh even more. I think that it was all a plan from satan to try and kill the Israelites because they were Gods chosen people at the time. God got the Hebrews out in the end but I don’t think He wanted it to go the way it did. God had blessed Egypt when Joseph was there, why would he want to send the plagues? Some might say as revenge for the Hebrew children that where killed by the other pharaoh. But God isn’t like that. We see that in Jesus on the cross.

There is so much more that we could look at in this story but I would like to bring it to a close here. God would not have sent the plagues or withered Moses hand. I don’t think He would have used a snake to show His power. God is love. Perfect love. Perfect love casts out all fear. 1 Jn 4:18 any thing that is evil in action or destroys and lies is from satan not from God. James tells us an interesting thing:

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tested, I am tested by God; for it is not possible for God to be tested by evil, and he himself puts no man to such a test:14 But every man is tested when he is turned out of the right way by the attraction of his desire. 15 Then when its time comes, desire gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is of full growth, gives birth to death.16 Do not be turned from the right way, dear brothers.(BBE)

God does not test. He doesn’t use evil to test. God didn’t send the plagues nor did He harden Pharaohs heart. God is love. He doesn’t send suffering to train us in His ways.

The running theme of this story is fear, intimidation, suffering and violence. All caused by God? Is that the God you worship?

In my next blog I will give my concluding thoughts.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Six.

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David and Goliath.

This is like the last story. There is no out right sin or need for rescue. I thought it would be an easy one to do but I was wrong. I only put it with the others because it’s a well-known story. I have found out some interesting things. Lets have a look.

The story.

We start in 1 Sam 16.   Samuel, who everyone is scared of, has anointed David king secretly.  1 Sam 16:4. God didn’t like Saul so has given the kingdom over to David. A spirit from God is tormenting Saul. David plays for Saul to ease the suffering. The Philistines have set up camp and are getting ready for battle with Saul and his armies. Goliath who is very tall and a mighty warrior comes and says if any one can defeat him then the battle is theirs. But he mocks them and isn’t very nice about it. Along comes David and says how dare he mock the armies of God. He also asks what rewards the man who slays Goliath will get. 1 Sam 17:12-31. One of David’s brothers who David was bringing supplies to, tells David off and says he has pride and a naughty heart. David continues anyway. Saul hears and tries to put David in his armour as David convinces Saul to send him out against Goliath. David goes with his stones and sling. Goliath mocks him and his God, at which point David replies and knocks Goliath out and then chops his head off. The Philistine’s freak and David and Israel win.

That is the only part of this story I want to look at. There is a lot more but I am only interested in this part.

A few things caught my attention. First everyone is scared of Samuel. Isn’t he meant to be a prophet of God? Why would they be scared of Samuel? It might have something to do with Samuel slaying kings in the name of the Lord. Just for one example:-

1 Sam 15:32   Then said Samuel, Bring all of you here to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. 15:33 And Samuel said, As the sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.(UKJV)

This is another study all by itself, but I don’t want to get into this now. Another thing is that God didn’t like Saul as king anymore so He chooses David instead and inflicts Saul with a troubling spirit. 1 Sam 16:14.Was David asking about the reward? Also his brother’s response to what David was saying. We all know that God loved David because of his heart but in verse 28 his brother isn’t very complementary to David.

1 Sam 17:28  And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spoke unto the men; and Eliab’s anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why came you down here? and with whom have you left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know your pride, and the naughtiness of your heart; for you are come down that you might see the battle.(UKJV)

I decided to look into this more because it doesn’t show David in a very good light. I had a look in the Septuagint. To my surprise this verse wasn’t in it. In fact there were a few verses missing from this story in the Septuagint. These are the missing scriptures:1 Sam 17: 12-31,41,51,55-58, 18:1-5,9-11, 17-19,30

I am not going to look at all of them, just the one that I think is relevant to this study.

1 Sam 17: 12-31. This tells us of why David comes to the camp. David is asking about the reward and his brother’s remarks are included. Take this away and David’s heart is not put into question. Which I think is important. It doesn’t show David to be reward driven or full of pride.

This to me was the only one, which I thought interesting in light of this study. Why the Septuagint doesn’t have it I don’t know. I find it interesting that the modern day translations include it when the Septuagint is said to be older than the others and is quoted a lot by Jesus and His disciples. But that is a study for another time.

Did Jesus teach or speak about David and Goliath?

David is mentioned in the genealogies. Jesus is called “the son of David” a few times. Jesus talks about when David was hungry. Jesus also says in a way that He is not David’s son. Because David calls Jesus lord. Maybe Jesus was trying to set them straight about calling Him David’s son. It might also be that they where expecting a conquering king to come and save them like David was. May be Jesus was trying to separate Him self from that image. Mark 12:35,Luke 6:3, Luke 18:38.

Jesus didn’t say anything about Goliath. But He did teach about loving your enemy and turning the other cheek. Matt 5:39,43,44. Jesus would not have gone to war or sent David out against Goliath. Jesus would have loved them. How He would have shown that I am not sure. But He wouldn’t have told David to cut off Goliath’s Head.

I believe that Samuel did things, which God didn’t ask him to. Like slaying the king. Even when it looks like the king was pleading for his life. It was the people that demanded a king not that God wanted them to have one. 1 Sam 8. It was God they rejected. The people where scared of Samuel because of the way he brought wrath against them. I don’t think that was from God. I don’t think the spirit that tormented Saul was from God.

I believe that David saw how Goliath was talking about his God and felt offended by it. Like we would be if we heard someone say bad things about our loved ones. Because David had had success defeating lions and bears he probably thought that Goliath would be no different. God didn’t tell David to slay Goliath. Was God with David when he did? Well it does say that the Spirit of the Lord was with David. 1 Sam 16:13. If he had died then Jesus would have no line to be born from. May be God was with David to protect him from death. Did satan organise the fight thinking that Goliath would win? After all satan is trying to kill off Jesus’ line. satan would have known which of David’s buttons to push. In sending Goliath satan would have known how David would respond. I believe that God wouldn’t have wanted David to be in that fight. May be there is a choice and consequence here. David should have been looking after the sheep not fighting. He hears the rants of Goliath and instead of leaving it to Saul’s men David seeks to sort it out himself. Saul did try to put him off. But David wasn’t having it. Could it be that God used Saul to try and stop David from fighting? God would have known the outcome. Would it have stopped David becoming a man of war instead of a man of worship and peace?

With all these stories I am trying to look at them from Jesus’ point of view and God’s point of view with love. Would a God of love have a prophet that scares people? Would He command young lads to go up against mighty warriors to chop off their heads and kill lots of people. These are the questions we need to ask when we read the old and new testaments. As I have said before the bible is the inspired word of God not the literal word of God. I have had to re-think my idea of the bible to be able to look at the bible through Gods eyes. Holy Spirit needs to come first. He will help you to understand and see the truth. It isn’t easy but with Holy Spirit’s help you will see God in a new way, which will blow your mind and heal your heart.

In my next blog I will look at my last story about the 10 plagues of Egypt.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Five.

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Abraham sacrificing Isaac.

 

This is an interesting story, which I have been looking forward to doing since I started. The reason is, the scriptures I found from Jesus’ teaching. We will start with the story.

Genesis 22 is where we begin. God visits Abraham when Isaac is a young lad. He is old enough to carry his own wood but there is no record of how old he is. God tells Abraham to go to the mountains and offer his only son as a sacrifice to the Lord. Abraham packs his stuff and they all go off to do this. Keeping his intent to himself Abraham commands the two young men that went with them to stay, while him and his son go up the mountain. Once there, Isaac says “where is the lamb for the sacrifice?” Gen 22:7. Abraham replies that God will provide. Isaac is bound to the altar. Abraham takes his knife and just before he is about to kill his son God shouts at him to stop and provides him with a lamb to sacrifice. God then sees Abraham’s willingness to give up his son and blesses him. Abraham calls the place God will provide.

I want to look at a few scriptures before I look at what Jesus says about Abraham.

First: Jeremiah 32:35 “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”(UKJV)

It never came into Gods mind to sacrifice children or burn them. God calls this a sin! Interesting.

Next:Hosea 6:6” For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings”(UKJV)

Psalms 40:6” Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; mine ears have you opened: burnt offering and sin offering have you not required.”(UKJV)

Psalms 51:16” For you desire not sacrifice; else would I give it: you delight not in burnt offering.” 51:17” The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.”(UKJV)

These are but a few of what I found. I get the impression that God doesn’t like sacrifices or burnt offerings. If we think about Cain and Abel, their offerings were the first fruits. Nothing with blood in it had to die.

In Psalms 40:6 it says that sin offerings are not required. WHAT. Why did Jesus die then if no offering was needed for sin? Jesus died so that satan, death and sin could have no more hold over us. It was for us that Jesus died. To meet our requirements not Gods. God, Jesus and Holy Spirit covered all the bases so that there could be nothing in the way for us to be with them.

In Psalms 51 all God requires is a broken spirit and a contrite heart. Not burnt flesh or child sacrifice. Lets have a look at what Jesus taught or said about Abraham and His response to sacrifices and burnt offerings.

There are a few references to Abraham in the genealogies. John the Baptist mentions Abraham. Plus a few more. The one I am interested in is in John 8.

John 8:19 “Then said they unto him, ‘Where is your Father?’ Jesus answered, all of you neither know me, nor my Father: if all of you had known me, all of you should have known my Father also.”(UKJV)

8:37” I know that all of you are Abraham’s seed; but all of you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you. 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and all of you do that which all of you have seen with your father. 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus says unto them, If all of you were Abraham’s children, all of you would do the works of Abraham. 8:40 But now all of you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.”(UKJV)

This could be a study by its self and there is more but I wanted to concentrate on this bit. First Jesus says that they don’t know Him or His father. He then goes on to talk about Abraham. Jesus says that satan is their father. It’s the last bit that interests me.

v40 ‘Abraham did not do this.’ (NKJV) Abraham was not like them. He didn’t want to kill. Jesus is saying they don’t know God and they don’t know Abraham, for if they did they would love Jesus. Another scripture before I tell you what I believe.

Mark 12:32 “And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, you have said the truth: for there is one God; and there is no other but he: 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, You are not far from the kingdom of God”(UKJV)

The scribe is agreeing with Jesus and sees that love is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jesus replies by saying the scribe is not far from the kingdom. Does Jesus agree that love is more important than sacrifices?

Jesus knew God and He knew that the burnt offerings and sacrifices were not required. I believe Jesus wouldn’t have asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son just to prove to Jesus that Abraham loved Him. Jesus wants us to love Him but I don’t believe that we have to go to such drastic measures to prove it to Him. For God so loved the world. It doesn’t say God wants us to prove to Him that we love Him and then He will send His Son. God loved us first. We don’t have to prove it to Him.

I believe that satan told Abraham to kill his son. I believe that satan wanted Abraham’s line to be stopped so Jesus would not be born. He convinced Abraham to do this. Then God stepped in and stopped Abraham. In the story God then says He will bless Abraham for being willing to kill his son. I don’t believe that God would bless Abraham for nearly killing his only son. God had already said He would bless Abraham. Gen 17:4. Was this satan? I don’t know?

The more I do this study the more I see that all the law and offerings and sacrifices were not Gods idea. He never was angry with us or wrathful. He has never needed us to satisfy His need for offering etc, because He doesn’t like them. I believe its us that puts all these things in His way. He is just waiting for us to let go and come back to Him. He is waiting with open arms.

In my next blog I will look at David and Goliath.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Four.

Image8Sodom and Gomorrah. 

Before I start I would recommend you look over the last three posts and ask Holy Spirit to speak to you and help you to understand. I do recognize that this is a hard thing to understand. I am not saying that the bible should never be read again. What I am trying to show you is what a God of love would do. Jesus tells us that as we have seen Him we have seen the Father. Jn 14:9. With every story or account in the bible, what I would suggest is you ask, what would Jesus do? Lets begin.

God has visited Abraham and told him and Sarah that they will have a son. They have all eaten together and two angels that came with the Lord are heading to Sodom. The Lord then tells Abraham what He is going to do. Gen 18:20. Abraham then begins to plead for the city beginning with 50 righteous men. He continues pleading with the Lord until he stops at 10. Why he stopped at 10 I don’t know. As Lot was classed as righteous. 2 peter 2:7. The two angels go to get Lot. They meet and Lot hides them in his house so they don’t get attacked. The angels protect them and they all flee. Lot’s wife looks back and turns to salt. Lot’s rescued and the city is destroyed.

With the other stories so far there has been a point where God has warned them. A chance to be saved from satan and his mischief. With this story I couldn’t think where that was until now. When the angels go to Lots house they ask him if he has any other family members who needed to be rescued. Lot then goes to find them and tells them to flee with him. They do not. They think he is joking. Gen 19:14. There is the chance to be rescued.

Before I continue with what I believe I thought we could look at another time when fire came down from heaven. Job 1:16. Satan goes to God and they begin to talk about Job. God gives satan permission to destroy all Job has and make him sick. I don’t have time to go into what I believe about this story here but I want to concentrate on the fire from heaven bit. That’s in Job 1:16.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and has burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.(UKJV)

Clearly it says Gods fire. But if we look in the Septuagint God is removed. It just says fire from heaven.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came another messenger, and said to Job, Fire has fallen from heaven, and burnt up the sheep, and devoured the shepherds like wise; and I having escaped alone am come to tell thee (SEPT)

I looked at the translation of heaven and it could mean sky. In this scripture we have satan bringing down fire onto Job’s sheep and servants. I know it doesn’t out rightly say that it’s satan doing it, but it does say that God gave all that Job had into satan’s power. Job 1:12, which would suggest that satan can bring down fire from the sky.

I had a look to see if Jesus spoke or taught about Sodom. Jesus does mention Sodom in Matthew, Luke and Mark. But not in John. The references in the first three gospels are to do with judgement and repentance. That still shows God as a wrathful judge. Jesus also mentions Sodom when He talks about His return. Interestingly there is no mention of Sodom in John. Fire and Heaven are not mentioned either. One scripture that does give us an insight to how Jesus feels about fire from heaven is Luke 9:52-56

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, will you that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did? 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, All of you know not what manner of spirit all of you are of. 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village(UKJV)

You do not know what spirit you are of. He has not come to destroy but to save. As we know Jesus has said, “As you have seen Me you have seen the Father”. If Jesus would not call down fire from heaven, why do we then think that God would.

In Matt 26:52-54 we see how Jesus could have acted if He wanted.

Matt 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 26:53 Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?(UKJV)

Jesus knew He had to die for the world, but He also knew the power of His Father. He chooses not to wipe out the whole area with all those angels. He chooses love over violence.

I don’t believe Jesus would have left those people to die. I think He would have found a way to save them and ultimately He did. He stopped the sons of thunder bringing down fire and He didn’t get the angels to wipe out the garden or the city. Because of Love.

I believe that God went to Abraham to warn him of what was coming. Abraham then interceded for Sodom. I believe that satan wanted to kill Abraham and might have tried to get him to go and rescue Lot. satan knew that Abraham had done this before. Gen 14:12. If He could kill Lot and Abraham then Jesus’ line would be cut and there would be no chance of satan’s head being bruised. Also satan wants to kill everyone. The angels are sent to get Lot. Lot then tells his family what is coming. They don’t believe Him and they die. Lot escapes, loses his wife and survives. But Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed. God gave them a way out. May be the angels wanting to be in the square, was that they where going to tell the people what was going to happen.

This is another example of trying to see the story through the eyes of love. I believe that if God is love then He cannot be violent or make anyone do violence on His behalf. There is no room for compromise.

In my next blog I will look at Abraham sacrificing Isaac.

A wrathful God or A God of Love?

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This has been a tough subject to get my head around, Probably the hardest that I have had in my Christian life. There are a lot of stories in the Old Testament where God tells people to do bad things in His name. Also accounts of God wiping out women and children through disasters. Is God wrathful? Did He order those people to kill and destroy? Did He tell Abraham to kill Isaac? Did God really do all these terrible things?

When we read the gospel of John we are told about a loving God, Who wants to give His life for everyone. Jesus in the gospels especially John shows a God of compassion and love. Jesus tells us “as you have seen Me you have seen the Father” Jn 14:9 and “ I and the Father are one” Jn 10:30. Jesus shows us a love, which is so deep that I don’t think we will ever truly understand it until we are home with Him. How can you have two views that are so opposite about the same God?

This is what I am going to look into. I have decided to look at some of the better-known Old Testament stories to try and see them through Jesus’ perspective. I will do this in parts, as I think the post will be too long to do it all in one post.

Before I start I want you to try and have an open mind about this. I know it’s hard because I have struggled with this a lot over the last few months. I have always held the Old Testament to be unshakeable as far as its translation is concerned. I never questioned that it was all written by who the translators said it was written by. Until I began my research into the New Testament. In my research I have found a lot of people believe that the bible is the inspired word of God. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t believe that it was written by God as to say that God used mans hands to write this book. I believe that it has its mistakes and it isn’t perfect. Please stick with me I am getting to a point. In order to try and accept that God is not wrathful or nasty we have to read the bible with an open mind. We have to read it with the help of Holy Spirit. If we don’t then you might as well stop reading this blog right now, as you will find what I have to say difficult to accept.

To help my point, I found a contradiction in the telling of a story, which is in two books in the Old Testament. It’s the story about David when he takes the census. In the Samuel’s account it says that God told David to take a census. Which I never understood as God then gets angry with David for doing it. In the chronicles account it says Satan told David to do it. Here are the two scriptures so you can see for yourselves:

2 Sam 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.(UKJV)

1 Chron 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.(UKJV)

The youngs translation of 2 Sam 24:1 says that “an adversary moveth David”.

Out of 10 translations that I looked at the youngs was the only one that had the adversary or Satan included in the 2 Samuel 24 verse. If you look in the Septuagint it also is the same as the youngs version.

I think what I am trying to say is that the bible is the inspired word of God but not the literal word of God. If we understand this and read the bible with the help of Holy Spirit then we can see that God is not wrathful, but is a God of love.

I have chosen seven stories which when you first read them you would say that God is wrathful. I will try to look at them from Jesus’ perspective and see if He said anything in the gospels about them. I will start like the bible in the beginning.

Part One: Adam & Eve. 

We all know the story. God creates everything in six days then rests on the seventh. Genesis 1 is the first account of creation. God is pleased and at the end of the chapter you get a little bit about man and his wife and what they are to do. From verse 27 we read how God blesses them and tells them to subdue the earth and have dominion over the animals. God gives them the herbs, fruit and every green plant to eat.

Its in chapter 2 that we get a more detailed account of what happens to Adam and Eve. God rests on the seventh day. God puts man in the garden and tells him not to eat of the tree of good and evil. Verse 17 is the first time God tells Adam not to eat from the tree.

Gen 2:17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die. (UKJV)

This is God’s warning. The first sign of free will. Here a choice is put before Adam and Eve. Do they choose good or evil? The serpent comes along and tempts Eve to eat of the tree. Where was Adam? Why didn’t he stop Eve from eating the fruit? May be he heard what the serpent said and was interested himself. We don’t know. They both eat and become aware of good and evil.

Hiding and afraid they look to cover them self’s. Along comes God. He calls to Adam. Adam tells God he is afraid and naked. God replies, “ Who told you?” God knows they have eaten from the tree. The story then continues with the curses and then the boot out.

When you first read the list of punishments to the three offenders it is easy to believe that God must have order, and punishment must be applied. How would Jesus deal with this situation?

I had a look to see if Jesus mentions or teaches anything about Adam and Eve. The only scriptures I could find were Matt 19:4-6 and Mk 10:6-9. He is talking about marriage here. It didn’t really seam to fit in with what we are looking at. I am reminded of the story of the adulterous women in John 8:11, she was caught in adultery. No one condemns her so Jesus doesn’t. But he tells her to sin no more. I don’t think Jesus would have cursed anyone. Jesus does mention that if you continue in your sin a worse thing will come upon you. He also says that you can be a slave to sin. (Jn 5:14, 8:24,34) But He forgives and sets us free. (Jn1:29, Mk2:9, Jn 8:32)

I think God needed to put them out of the garden because if they had eaten from the tree of life they would have been trapped in their sin for eternity (Gen 3:22-24). I also think that the curses where not curses but God telling them the consequences of their choices. Satan who is a murderer will want to make mankind suffer as much as possible Jn8:44. Satan would make childbirth painful maybe to put women off of having children to stop any possible offspring from bruising his head or even to kill her in childbirth. He will also make Adam suffer in his work. Satan doesn’t like us and wants us to suffer and die Jn10:10. I believe God was warning Adam and Eve about what it will be like outside of the garden. But God didn’t say He would not help them or protect them.

To finish here is an interesting part of the “fall” story.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (UKJV)

He called her Eve. Chavvah is the Hebrew. It means life or life giver. The reason I look at this is because there is no anger or malaise from Adam when he names his wife. She and all women are the life givers as men can not, (God is the one who makes us and gives us life, I am talking about being able to carry and give birth to children) but for Adam to give her this name after she was the first of the two to eat the fruit and then for them to be removed from the garden, to me shows that Adam wasn’t angry with his wife.

The next bit is equally interesting to me. God removes them from the garden and you would think He would just leave them to it. But He doesn’t. He makes them clothes. He provides for them like He did in the garden. He shows them kindness and love.

Now some people say that the skins where the skin or flesh that you and me have today. Suggesting that Adam and Eve didn’t have any skin or flesh in the garden. I looked at the translations of coats and skins. Coats are kĕthoneth, which means tunic, under-garment and long shirt. Skins are owr, which means skin, hide, leather. These suggest to me some form of clothes like what we have today.

I don’t believe that God was angry and had to appease His holiness. I think He was warning the couple of what lies ahead if they choose evil over good or satan over Him. As we continue on our journey I hope you will see as I do that God is not angry with us and needs a Jesus pill to make Him happy. God is love and always has been and always will be.

Like with my other blog’s I encourage you to look for yourselves. I am sharing what I have found because of the freedom it brings but don’t take my word for it. Check it out. Ask Holy Spirit for help. Ask Him to reveal the truth to you like I did.

In my next blog I will look at Cain and Abel.