Love and Repentance.

loverepentIn my last blog “Knowing God” I said that there is no sin so we don’t have to repent to be saved. Liz kindly commented on this with her view and it prompted me to look at it again. Hence the reason for this blog. I want to talk about Gods love so that you can understand where I am coming from. I also want to look at repentance and why we feel we have to do it. Liz also mentions that she doesn’t think we can know God in the way that I say. I will have a look at this as well.

Love.

God is love. 1 John 4:18.

What is love?

1 Corinthians 13:4-8, Love suffers long, and is kind; love envies not; love vaunts not itself, is not puffed up, Does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not his own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil;  Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;  Bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.(UKJV)

Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirs up strifes: but love covers all sins.(UKJV)

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent love among yourselves: for love shall cover the multitude of sins. (UKJV).

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, (UKJV).

Romans 5:8 But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. (UKJV)

John 15:13 Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (UKJV)

I could go on. God is love. If He is love, which I believe He is then He would have no problem with sin. As I have said before. Jesus died with God and Holy Spirit in Him not for Gods sake but for ours. God’s love is so much more than we realise. I don’t think we will really understand Him until we see Him face to face.

Half way through my studies I was struggling with the wrathful God image that the bible portrayed. Holy Spirit said to me let love be your plumb line. A plumb line is used in construction to make sure the building is true. What ever I read about God, if it didn’t fit with love then I assumed it was not right. Later I was thinking about grace and mercy. These two things are dependant on someone deciding if you are worthy of grace and mercy. Have you been good enough? Is there a sin, which might take me out of Gods grace or mercy?

While I was praying I had a vision. I saw two candles one was grace the other was mercy. There light was dim. Then from behind came the blinding light of love. It consumed grace and mercy. I think what God was trying to show me was love is so much more than grace and mercy. It doesn’t matter who we are or what we have done. Love covers all. God loves all His creation and wants us to fellowship with Him. But we let things get in the way. Through Jesus God has taken away all that would stand in the way of us being with Him and knowing Him. From Gods side it is all done. We just have to know it and believe it and come boldly to His throne.

Do you need to repent to be saved?

No. Is my answer. I believe that everyone is already saved. It is that we are choosing to know God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. That we want a relationship with them. Repenting to be saved means that you change your mind to be saved. You decide to turn from your wicked ways and then you will be saved. That’s not what Paul tells us. Acts 16:31

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your house. (UKJV)

But what happens if I don’t believe?

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (UKJV).

Jesus saves everyone. Anyone who doesn’t believe in the good news is left in darkness but that doesn’t mean they will go to hell. (Check out my hell blog).

I believe that when you encounter the love of Jesus then you choose to turn from your ways and embrace His. It is a gift from God that we are saved. God loves us and has done everything for us. All we have to do is want to know them. You change after you have met them not before. It is not by our works that we are saved. We don’t even need to believe and we are saved.

Do I need to repent of my sin daily?

This one confused me a bit. My understanding is all sin was cleansed from Jesus on the cross. The Law makes sin known to me. Romans 7:7. But even the law is no more. Luke 16:16. Being a gentile I was not even under the law in the first place. Confused? From Gods point of view there is no sin. All sin has been cleansed. But from our point of view we sin daily. John tells us to confess our sins and repent. But Martin Luther was stuck in that loop for a time and annoyed those around him. The truth is sin is forgiven, cleansed, wiped away, sent away. But the enemy still entraps us and convinces us to do it. The sin is still there and the way out is there also. Jesus will help you to be free from sin.

I have been listening to Hannah Whitall Smith. She was a lay speaker and author in the Holiness movement. She struggled with the constant problem of daily sin. But she found that giving the sin over to Jesus right when it started helped her to overcome it. I have been trying this my self and it has been working. I think we need to have more faith in Jesus and realise that He has done a lot more for us than we know. We need to abide in Him.

In answer to this question I think we need Jesus to help us change our mind. But if we do sin then there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Romans 8:1. Paul tells us to walk in the spirit and Jesus says we need to take our cross daily. Luke 9:23. We are in a battle but God has given us what we need to fight it. 2 Peter 1:3.

As we walk in the spirit we will be changed into Jesus’ likeness. Holy Spirit is changing us all the time. Holy Spirit does the work. We will get to a point where sin will no longer be a reality in our lives. Titus 3:5-6, 2 Corinthians 3:18. It is an on going process. If we let Holy Spirit do His work then we will get there sooner.

I have found this hard because when I sin I feel that I need to say sorry for what I have done. I know that sin is covered, cleansed etc. but I still feel bad for doing it. What I have come to understand is God doesn’t have a problem with my sin because He doesn’t see my sin. I am the one that needs to realise this and not worry about it. Satan is trying to separate us from God and he uses guilt, shame and sin to do this. It is the only power that he has left. Oh and sickness. I still say sorry to God. If I were to do something wrong against a friend then I would go and say sorry. I don’t think that God requires it but I think He understands our need to do it. Love prompts us to say sorry to a friend. God I believe wants to be our friend to.

I can sin then?

Love is the reason. Jesus tells us to love our enemy, Him, Neighbour, each other, God and self. John 15:12, Matthew 5:44, Mark 12:31, Matthew 22:37. He commands it. As I showed earlier love does no harm or envy etc. That includes our self’s. If I sin then that sin depending on what it is might only affect me. But does it? If I am frustrated with this sin then I might get angry and snap at my family or friends. It could cause me to be angry with a stranger. Love does none of these things.

Ok sin is cleansed, wiped out, sent away but it doesn’t mean you can carry on doing it. Paul tells us this in Romans 6:1. Paul continues to say that we have died to sin and we are no longer slaves to it. We need to by faith walk in the newness of life. But if we have a bad day, don’t become condemned. Just get back up and carry on.

Jesus knew the effects that continuous sin could have. When dealing with the adulterous women and the guy by the pool. He told them to go and sin no more. John 5:14, 8:11. He knows that if you continue in your sin then it can enslave you and depending on the sin could lead to death. Jesus doesn’t wont us to be harmed. He helps us and guides us with Holy Spirit so we can live an abundant and joyful life.

Knowing God.

My last blog was all about this. After reading Liz’s comment I felt that I needed to explain a bit more where I am coming from.

What the bible says.

Jesus in John 17:5 tells us that eternal life is about knowing Them. There are other places in the bible, which tells us the same thing. The know here is as a friend or even as a husband or wife but with out the sex part. Jesus said that if we keep His commandment (to love) and we love Him, then He will manifest Himself to us. The Father will also love us. John 14:21. He also says that He and His Father will make their home with us. Verse 23. Holy Spirit is our Helper also.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (UKJV).

Lets have a look at that word.

Blue letter Bible website says:

Helper – parakletos – G3875.

Comforter, advocate, called to ones side, helper, assistant.

The Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness and searches our hearts. Romans 8:26,27.

This is quite an intimate thing to have your heart searched. You wouldn’t let a stranger search your heart? These all point to being known by God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. If God is love then why do we not like the fact? The bible clearly shows us that they want to know us. Why do we not let them?

My experience.

Ever since I was little I have always believed in God. I have always had a desire to know and see them. When I was 18 a friend of mine taught me how to play the guitar. I then began to worship with that guitar. It opened a whole new world to me, which I never knew was there. It is even more so now that I worship in the spirit. I have had many encounters with God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. All of them have been life changing. All of them I have felt their love. I have not seen them with my open eyes yet but my desire to know them is even more now than ever. I feel their love regularly. I can say from experience that they love me because it is something I have felt. I wish there was a way to show others. It saddens me that a lot of Christians do not experience God, Jesus and Holy Spirit in the way that I do. I don’t mean to brag. If I could give it to others then I would not hesitate.

This is why I say that they want this kind of relationship with everyone. All you have to do is rest in them. Ask them. God is with you right now. Just stop. Close your eyes and say papa. I am here. You might be amazed by what you experience. I have heard some preachers say, “It is not all about feelings”. In some cases I would agree. There have been times when the only reason I have worshipped is to try and recreate the experience I had the day before. But that is wrong. We worship them not for what we can get but for what we can give. In other cases I don’t agree. Many times when I have worshipped with out selfish intent God has shown me His love in many different ways. For example.

I had being worshipping for about 30 minutes when I became aware of God. It was like He was in the room with me. I didn’t feel scared or like I had to fall to my knees on the floor. I just felt His love. When I had finished I was overwhelmed with joy. When ever I began to think about God I began to laugh. This lasted for about half an hour. I just laughed and laughed and laughed. It was fantastic. God showed me that He loves me and that He wants me to laugh.

I could go on all day but I think I have made my point. There is not anyone special. God does not have His favourites. He loves us all the same but that love is bigger than we can ever imagine. All you have to do is give Him the time and He will show you the rest. I go into this more in my last blog. “Knowing God”.

Tell our Family.

I was listening to some Christian music when I had a revelation. We are all in the same family. I felt that all the strangers around the world where like my brother, sister, mother and father. It was amazing. Jesus says that we are His sheep and we know His voice. John 10:16. He also says that all are brethren. Matthew 23:8 There are many scriptures that tell us that all are saved/healed, made righteous, justified etc. John 3:17, 12:47, Romans 5:18,19, Jesus died on the cross for all not just for those who believe. Through all my blog’s I have talked about this. Every one is a Child of God and part of His family but they don’t know it. It is our job to tell them. It is our job to heal them and help them, to get them out of darkness into the light. We should be out there telling everyone what they have in Jesus and tell them that God wants to know them. Why do we have such a problem with this?

Before satan messed things up Gods plan was to have a huge family who He would fellowship with. But because of what happened that plan was put on hold. Jesus came to un pause that plan. Gods plan never changed. We are all made by Him and return to Him. Ecclesiastes 12:7. We where all created for and by Jesus. Colossians 1:16.

When Jesus came to earth He was on a mission from His Father. He healed, set captives free and fellowshipped with us. He said that as you have seen Him you have seen the Father. John 14:9. He didn’t have a problem with sinners in fact He made them His disciples. He commanded us to do what He has done. He told us to go and heal the world like He was doing and to set the captives free. How will they know unless they are told? If you have a brother, sister, father or mother who doesn’t believe don’t you want to and try to tell them? We need to do this for everyone. We need to show the world Gods love and change their idea that God is wrathful and that being a Christian involves lots of rules etc..

This is why I write these blog’s. God has shown me so many things I cant keep them to my self. If my blog’s can help or free just one person then it is worth all the time I spend and I would do it all again in a second.

I hope this will help you all and Liz thanks for your comment. I did put the last blog out with haste. But this is why I leave the comments open. My aim is to help others Christian or not to know God, Jesus and Holy Spirit better. I hope that this is what I get across. God Bless.

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 5.

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Satan.

I have covered some of this subject in my hell blog. It might be worth a read. I think I will get a bit of background before we go onto what is meant to happen to satan.

We would think that the first mention of satan would be in Job or you could say the serpent in the garden in genesis. I would say other wise. Jesus says that He saw satan fall like lightening to the earth. Luke 10:18. If satan is the serpent in genesis 3 then that would put him on earth around the same time as the garden was finished. If we look at the beginning of creation there is a little hint at when satan and his angels might have been cast down to earth.

Genesis 1:2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (UKJV)

The heavens and the earth have just been formed. The earth is without form void and dark. Lets have a look at the words.

Blue letter bible website says:

Form-H8414- Tohuw.

Vain, confusion, wilderness, waste, empty place, primeval place, Place of chaos.

Void- H922- Bohuw.

Void, emptiness, waste, undistinguishable ruin.

Darkness- H2822- Choshek.

Darkness, obscurity, secret place, misery, sorrow, wickedness.

There are some interesting words used for what the earth was like before light was created. Genesis says the light came in the first day. We are not told how long the earth was void for. 2 Peter 3:8 tells us that a thousand years is a day and a day is a thousand years. The earth could have been void for at least a thousand years. With words like wilderness and place of chaos I don’t think its to hard to believe that satan and his angels where on the earth first. All that evil. It would be a place of chaos. May be that’s why he doesn’t seam to like us very much. Because we where given what he would see as his kingdom.

Satan and his angels are on the earth. Adam and Eve sin. Satan is in trouble like the others. There is no mention of satan receiving any kind of authority. We only Think he got it because when Jesus is tempted satan says that he has all authority which was given to him. Luke 4:6. Was it? Jesus never agreed with him that it had been. The Old Testament tells us that everything belongs to the lord. Deuteronomy 10:14, Psalm 89:11, Genesis 14:22, Exodus 9:29, psalm 24:1….. And the list goes on. God gave dominion over all the animals to Adam and Eve. God also told them to subdue the earth. Could it be that satan some how took what was given to Adam and Eve. Satan was never given it. Jesus never said that satan had the authority. But Jesus did call satan the ruler or prince of this world.

Jesus mentions this in 3 scriptures in John. John 12:31, 14:30 and 16:11. Lets have a look.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. (UKJV)

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me. (UKJV)

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (UKJV)

Jesus does recognise satan as the prince or ruler of this world. Lets have a look at the word prince.

Blue letter bible website says:

Prince-G758- archon.

Ruler, prince, chief, magistrate, commander, leader.

He is called the prince of the devils in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Matthew 12:24, Mark 3:22, Luke 11:15.

Magistrate is an interesting word for him. Jesus says that he was a murderer from the beginning and is a liar. John 8:44.

Could it be that because of sin satan had become our ruler or our jailer. That could be why he thought he had all authority.

I think that is enough about satan. Lets see what happens to him.

I am only going to use John for this. I know there is more in the Old and New Testament but this study is already long. I have already shown you the scriptures about satan. He had nothing on Jesus. John 14:30, he is to be cast out. John 12:31. and he is to be judged. In Isaiah 14 it tells us that satan will end up with the kings of old. This suggests to me that the judge here could be separate to be refined. What? I hear you cry. I thought satan was going to the lake of fire. Satan was created good. Why wouldn’t he be refined? That’s what love would do. Philippians 2:9-11 tells us that every knee shall bow and tongues confess that Jesus Christ is lord. That would include satan and his angels. God does not destroy or kill or torment. God is love. Jesus taught us that. There is a scripture, which would go against this theory. Hebrews 2:16. (I could not find any others. Let me know if you know of any and I can take a look.)

The new king James says that Jesus does not give aid to angels. This would suggest that angels are not to be refined. Hence satan will be destroyed. Lets have a look.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. (UKJV)

I have looked at a few versions and there is a few that agree with the new king James but most of them are similar to the UKJV. What is the context of this verse? If you look at the next verse it becomes clear.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it was essential for him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (UKJV)

It is the nature of humans not angels that Jesus took hold of or became. That is what this verse is saying. Jesus didn’t become an angel to save us but a human. Not sure why the NKJV says it like this. Angels can be refined then.

I want to look into John 12:31. It has some interesting things about it.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. UKJV).

We know what judgement means and prince and world. Lets have a look at cast out.

Blue letter bible website says:

Cast- G1544- Ekballo.

Cast out, bring forth, pull out, send forth, drive out, to send out, be deprived of the power and influence he exercises in the world, to banish from a family, depart with haste, extract,

Out-G1854-exo.

Without, out of doors, forth, strange, away.

I think its save to say that satan has been booted out. Before I continue I would like to look at one more scripture.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil. (UKJV)

The word I am interested in is destroy.

Blue letter bible website says:

Destroy-G2673-katargeo.

Do away, abolish, loose, fall, deliver, to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative, to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. Separated from.

There is more but I think you get the point.

Satan and his angels have been made unemployed. They have no more power or authority. Jesus has the authority now. How is it then that there is still sickness, war, disasters, evil in the world. Satan is a liar. We are told to renew our minds. Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:23. we are told that our struggles are not against the flesh but against the spiritual hosts and rulers of darkness. Ephesians 6:12.

We fight against the enemy. But how does he still have power? How has he ever had power? Though us. He got Adam and Eve to sin. He got Cain to kill Abel. He got Jesus’ own people to kill their messiah. He is the master of lies and manipulation. Just because he is unemployed doesn’t mean he can’t us our power against us. The power of the tongue is a mighty thing. It has the power of life and death. Proverbs 18:21.

I heard a story about a young boy who was being bullied. His bully told him every day to die. That’s what happened to the boy. He died. It is all around us everyday and we have become blind to it. James warns us of this power and how we should bridle it. James 1:26, 3:5,6,8. Be careful what you say.

I believe that satan convinces us to accept some sufferings. Like some sickness. We feel symptoms. We then talk to our friends and look on the Internet. We then go to a doctor who confirms what we have been thinking and saying. All the time the enemy is continuing to tell you that you are ill. How do we defeat it? Stop it before it starts. What about the symptoms?

Could it be that sickness is a lie? Is it that the enemy convinces us to accept it? We are bombarded all day long with adverts and news stories about sickness and what to do about them. I wonder if we stopped listening to the world about sickness and suffering and listen to God whether we would be healed.

Fear is a powerful weapon but love has conquered fear. Fear has been cast out. 1 John 4:17.

Hosea 4:6 says my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Isaiah 5:13 also says my people have gone into captivity because they have no knowledge. Is it this simple? Drugs give a quick fix but don’t fix the root of the problem. Are we being blinded?

Now I am not a doctor. I am not telling you to stop all your meds and trust for your healing. If you are ill and take drugs to help then keep taking them. Ask God for wisdom. Trust in Him. He will guide you. But don’t let the enemy have His way. We need to be careful and wise. Jesus tells us “Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves”.  Matthew 10:16. We have an enemy who wishes to devour us. Peter tells us to be vigilant. 1 Peter 5:8.

Satan knows all the tricks to get his way. He has been doing it for a very long time. We can overcome him. He is a defeated foe. Do not listen to fear but trust in the Lord for satans time is finished. He is not the ruler anymore. Its time we reminded him of that.

 

Continues in part 6…..

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 4.

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Talk to the Dead.

Jesus has wiped out sin, healed us and conquered death. While we are on the subject of death, what about all those who never got to hear Jesus. What about the saints that died before Jesus taught the truth? John helps us with this. Up until Jesus death from what I understand if you died whether saint or not you just went to hades and went to sleep. Check out my hell study for more information on this. We have a multitude of people sleeping while Jesus is on the cross. John 5:25,28. Tells us about this. 

John 5:25, 28-29 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (UKJV) 

Jesus tells us that He will go into the depths of the earth like Jonah in the whale for 3 days. Matthew 12:40. But to do what? John 5 tells us. To talk to the dead or sleeping. To preach the good news. Jesus says here that those who done good will go with Him. But those who do evil will be dammed. Lets see what the word means. 

Blue letter bible website says:

Damnation. Krisis-G2920.

Judgement, damnation, accusation, condemnation.

Well I was wrong. There must be a hell then?

When you look at the blue letter bible it shows you what the king james translates it as. Then it shows the outline of biblical usage. This is a lot different to the king james. 

A separating, sundering, separation, a trail or contest, selection. 

All of that before judgement. In my Hell blog I talk about Matthew 25. The sheep and the goats. I believe that this is the non-Christians who are being separated. Those who have done good go to heaven and those who have done evil are refined. John 5:29 conforms this when you see that the word damnation could be or should be separation.  

What about the saints?

Matthew helps with this:

Matthew 27:52,53. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (UKJV)

When Jesus died His resurrection power raised the saints. They went into the city and showed them self’s. What kind of conversation could you have with one of those saints? If you read on, the centurion who saw this was afraid and said that Jesus was the Son of God. You never see this in any of the films. Could this be the last day that Jesus was talking about in John 6:39,40,44,54, and Martha mentions in John 11:24?

We have always assumed that the last day is sometime in the future when Jesus comes back. If that is true then how is it that these saints where raised on the same day Jesus died? Are we again being tricked by the enemy to think that we are to wait for Jesus to complete His work? But didn’t Jesus say that He had completed His Fathers work and even on the cross His last words where “it is finished” John 17:4,19:30. What would it mean for us if all this where true. That we don’t have to wait for Jesus to complete what He set out to do but like Jesus said it is finished. It would change things in a big way.

The Worlds and satans judgement.

If it is finished then what about judgment and satan? John’s gospels points to the cross being the last day. We will look at the world first then satan.

The World.

This is a bit confusing because Jesus on the one hand says that He hasn’t come to Judge the world but to save it. John 12:47. But then He says now is the judgement of this world. John 12:31.

I am going to look at the words used in this chapter to see what Jesus was talking about.

Blue letter Bible website says:

John 12:31- Krisis-G2920.

A separating, sundering, separation, a trail or contest, selection, judgement.

John 12:47- Krino-G2919.

to separate, put asunder, to pick out, select, choose. Judge, determine, go to law.

The translations are the same. 

Lets have a look at the scriptures:

John 12:31,47. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. (UKJV)

Verse 31 says that the world is to be judged now. Which tells us that it’s at the cross that the judgment happened. This verse would follow the separation theory. 

Verse 47 tells us that Jesus has not come to judge but to save. If anyone hears but doesn’t believe. Jesus also says elsewhere that He has not come to judge. John 8:15

What does this mean?

In verse 31 Jesus mentions the world first then satan. Could it be that the word is different? Lets have a look.

The word for world is the same. If you look at the Greek for it, it means: Cosmos. Which is the order of things. Even the strongs points to this. Kosmos-G2889. World, universe, order, government. It also says men, the human family and the inhabitants of the earth.

I believe we need to look at the context of the verses to understand what Jesus is saying.

In verse 31 Jesus is talking about satan and the world view. Which would fit the world order, government translation of this word.

In verse 47 Jesus is talking about the judgement of the person. Which if you look at the translation of the word world it can mean inhabitants of earth, men, and the human family. It may be the same word but it’s not the same use of the word.

We also need to apply this to the word judge or judgement. 

In verse 31 Jesus is talking about the separation of the world like He does in Matthew 25. He says of satan that he will be cast out not judged.

When you get to verse 47 Jesus has talked about His death and being the light in the world. The Jews would think of judgement not separation. This is I believe why Jesus says He came not to Judge but to save.

One thing we have to realise is how the judgment works. Just like sin and sickness it took an eternal human to complete the work that was done. Jesus when He died went into the eternal realm. That is how He was able to heal all diseases, cleanse all sin and judge the entire world. This is the only way it could have happened. Think about it, the sins I do today are done today. If Jesus weren’t eternal He would not be able to cleanse me of my sin today. The same is with sickness and judgement. Jesus has judged the world system and its ruler but has healed or saved all people. It was all done at the cross.

Continues in part 5…..

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 3.

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The Cross.

This is a big part of the study. I am going to spilt it into two parts. The physical and the spiritual. I call the second part the spiritual because I couldn’t think of any other word to describe it.

The physical.

If you are someone who doesn’t like gory details then you might want to skip this part. The reason I put it in is to show how Jesus would have been feeling in His body when He died for us.

He has just been scourged which is normally 39 lashes. Whips and rods would have been used. He carried His cross for some of the way. He also had the crown of thorns on His head, which wouldn’t have been nice. He then arrives at Golgotha. John 19:17. I don’t think I have to go into to much detail on how they put Him on the cross. They nailed Him in the hands and feet. How they did that or where, is debated heavily but I am not interested in that. He is hanging there. He is feeling weak from the blood loss. It’s hard for Him to breathe, as He can’t support His weight very well. Having to decide between the pain in His hands or His feet so He can breathe. Adrenaline is probably helping but I would imagine He is still in a lot of pain. He injures this for 6 hours. The different gospels tell us the things He says. What I realised was He probably didn’t have the breath to say much at all. Slowly suffocating it would have been hard to speak. At the end of the 6 hours He says, “it is finished” and dies. For more details you could look it up or watch the passion. Watching it is harder than reading about it I have found. But it does give you a picture of what Jesus was willing to do for us.

Because of the Passover celebrations the Jews ask the Romans to break the legs of the criminals so they will die quicker. I always thought it was the Romans who did it. But it was the Jews. They get to Jesus and see He is dead already but to make sure they piece His side with a spear. When they do blood and water comes out. This shows them that Jesus is dead.

I have looked to see if there was any prophetic reason for this. 1 john 5:7 says there are three witness’s on the earth. Blood and water being two of them. Being pieced was mentioned in Zechariah 12:10. I haven’t come to any real conclusions on this. It is mentioned in the Old Testament so there’s another scripture fulfilled.

There are two other things, which happens when Jesus dies. The Veil of the temple was torn and the dead saints where raised and went into the city. These are recorded in Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45. There are other things like the casting of lots etc but I wanted to look at these two as there is a spiritual side to them as well.

The Veil.

The Veil was in the temple. It was in the Holy of Hollies. It was meant to hide God from sinful man. Only the priests after giving blood could enter. Exodus 26 gives a lot of detail about the Veil. The ark was put behind the Veil. It was where the presence of God was meant to be and the Veil hid Him from the world.

When Jesus died the Veil was torn from top to bottom. Matthew 27:51. I will look into the spiritual side of this in the next section.

The Dead saints.

Matthew is the only gospel that talks about this.

Matthew 27:52-54. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. (UKJV)

This happened just after Jesus died and the Veil was torn. Jesus in John talks about speaking with the dead. Could this be linked to those scriptures? Clearly the living and the dead felt the power of Jesus’ death. I will look at the spiritual side of this in the next section.

Jesus is taken down and laid in a tomb. Three days later He rises again.

The spiritual. 

I think to understand this better I will break it down into parts. It is important to know what Jesus did on the cross. More from a spiritual point of view than a physical.

What happened? Why was it so important? Lets have a look.

Sin Cleansed not paid for. 

I always thought that Jesus paid for our sins. That’s what I was taught in church. There was a ransom to be paid. The thing is whom did Jesus pay. Was it God? Was it satan? Was it us? In my studies of the Septuagint and other versions what I found was it was none of them.

Jesus was cleansed of sin. He didn’t pay anyone. Isaiah 53 from the Septuagint tells us this. It says in verse 10 that the lord was pleased to cleanse Him from His blow. It also says in verse 11,12 that Jesus bore our sins. Sin was put into Jesus so that God could cleanse Him from our sin as far as the east is from the west. Psalms 103:12. So that sin was no more. We also know that He took a beating for our sin. It took an eternal being in human form to be able to do this. Jesus was pure and clean but was made sin so we could be made righteous. Romans 5:17-19. Ultimately so that we could know the Father and His Son and receive His spirit.

The only scripture I could find where it says that Jesus was a ransom for us was these:

Matthew 20:28, Mark10:45, What does this word mean?

Blue letter bible website says:

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Ransom, price for redeeming, paid for slaves, captives, to liberate many from misery and penalty of their sins.

When we sin we become a slave to it if we do it for long enough. Drinking, gambling, sex…. The list goes on. What happens when we sin? Some of us feel guilty, ashamed maybe even worthless. What about how it affects our relationship with God. We wouldn’t feel worthy to be in His presence. We probably would find it hard to talk to Him. We might even be afraid of Him. A lot like Adam in the garden.

Who tells us that we are all these things? The enemy. You might think its your inner voice bashing you over the head with “your not worthy”. Some of that might be true. I think it’s the enemy. They don’t want you having a relationship with God so they first convince you to do the sin then convict you of it after and so the circle continues.

What has this to do with paying a ransom? Jesus and His Father with Holy Spirit wanted to make a way where sin was not a problem. They made it possible that the enemy couldn’t use sin against us to separate us from them. Its not that Jesus paid anyone. It’s that God cleansed the sin. John the Baptist tells us in the beginning of John that Jesus came to take away the sin of the world. John 1:29. There is now no sin. What? So I can go and do what I like and there are no consequences. No you cant. From Gods point of view there is no consequences but from yours there will be. If you drink alcohol all the time you will lose friends and in the end die. As Paul would say the wages of sin are death. Romans 6:23. There are earthy consequences to sin but as far as God is concerned you have been cleansed. You can come to Him whenever you like. Do we need to repent then? I am not sure. I think Gods love is so huge that it can cover all sin. Proverbs 10:12. Maybe it’s that it makes us feel better. I don’t think we need to do it but if it helps with our relationship with God, Jesus and Holy Spirit then do it.

Death where is your sting.

Paul tells us that the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23. If sin is no more then where does that leave death? Is death a lie, which satan uses to destroy us?

I wanted to have a look at death and what Jesus did when He died and raised again. What effect did Jesus have when He died on the cross?

I had a look in the Old Testament first to see if it had any thing to say. This is what I found.

Isaiah 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD has spoken it. (UKJV)

Hosea 13:14 I will deliver them out of the hand of death. I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy death. (DRA)

He will swallow up death. That’s good. I think Isaiah is talking about Jesus here. It also mentions victory. That would suggest that a battle was won. We know that Jesus made an open show of the enemy. Colossians 2:15. Paul tells us about death having no sting. 1 Corinthians 15:55. This must mean that Jesus has beaten death and overcome it. Jesus tells Peter that the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Matthew 16:18. I wonder what the word Hades means in this scripture? Lets have a look.

The blue letter bible websites says:

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Hell, Grave, Death, the place (state) of departed souls.

This is the same word used by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:55. From what this says it’s the place not the act. What I mean is the resting place not the physical thing that happens to our bodies when we die.

Hosea says that we will be delivered out of the hand of death. I choose the DRA translation because it’s the closet to the Septuagint. The DRA means Douay-Rheims. Death in this verse is the place not the act. In my Hell blog I talked about the place in the Old Testament. It is a place of sleep from what I understand of the scriptures. I think also it’s a place where man was separated from God. I think that Jesus made it possible for us to be with Him and His Father by over coming death. Paul tells us that all died in Adam but all are made alive in Jesus. 1 Corinthians 15:22. Does this mean that when anyone dies they are made alive? I have seen a lot of near death experience videos on you tube. Most of them talk about a bright light or tunnel and about seeing Jesus or God. Most of them are not Christians. Does this mean that all are saved? We will look into that later.

The Old Testament says that we will be delivered from the place of Hades/death. That God will deliver us. What about Jesus? What was His thoughts on the subject?

I have already mentioned what Jesus said in Matthew. I thought I would see what Jesus says about it in John. It is very interesting what He says. John 5:24, 8:51,52, 11:25,26.

Jesus tells us that if we keep His commandments and hear His words we have passed from death into life. Jesus commandment is to love one another and love God and Him. Jesus gives the impression that if you believe in Him we will not taste death. In john 5:24 and 8:51,52 He hints at this. Lets have a look at John 8:51,52.

John 8:51,52 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that you have a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and you says, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. (UKJV)

The Jews couldn’t believe what He was saying. They even said what He said in a different way to make sure they understood what Jesus meant. Jesus says see. They say taste. Lets have a look.

Blue letter bible says:

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See, behold, perceive, consider, look on, look at, experience.

Taste- Geuomai-G1089

Taste, eat, to try, partake of, to feel, experience.

The two words are similar. What is Jesus response to their question? If you read on the Jews are trying to find out whom He thinks He is. That is when Jesus says, “Before Abraham was I AM” John 8:58. He was calling Himself God. Which in a way answered their question. But they where so angry with Him for saying this that they tried to stone Him.

What about the translation of the word death here?

Blue letter Bible website says:

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Death, deadly, the death of the body, the separation of the soul and the body.

Jesus was saying that if you follow His commandments and believe you will never taste death. This points to the physical act. Is there more?

Jesus hints at this again when He talks to Martha about her brother.

John 11:22-26. But I know, that even now, whatsoever you will ask of God, God will give it you. Jesus says unto her, Your brother shall rise again. Martha says unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live And whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Believe you this? (UKJV)

Lets look at the words for dead and die.

Blue letter bible website says:

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Die, be dead, be at the point of death, lie a dying, be slain, of the natural death of man, to perish by means of something.

Martha knows that Jesus can do something but isn’t sure what. She, like us mentions the last day. The day when all shall rise. She is thinking of a time in the future. The same question I have now. Jesus answers her by saying that He is the life and that her brother will be raised this very day. I don’t think like the Jews that she understands this. Jesus says, “Whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die”.  This is similar to what He said to the Jews earlier when He said see and they said taste. I believe that Jesus is saying that if we follow His commandments and believe His words we will not taste death.

I decided to have a look in the Old Testament for any mention of this. That’s when I found this.

Isaiah 65:21,22 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (UKJV)

The days of a tree? That can be a long time. Long enjoy their works. Could this be pointing to living a long and abundant life. It could be. Then again some people will say Jesus is talking about after He returns to restore all things. Or that it’s when we go to heaven and live eternally with Him and the Father. Could it be that we are meant to live longer but are blinded by the enemy? This does require more study and I think Holy Spirit is trying to show me something. I will leave it here for you to think about.

We have seen that Jesus has overcome death and delivered us from it. Does that mean for now or the future? Does it mean that all will be saved and see Jesus when they die? These are questions that I am still asking. What I can say is Jesus has defeated death and sin. They no longer have power over us. He has the victory. What this means for us now I hope to find out.

Continues in Part 4….

The Ministry of Reconciliation Part 2

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The Cross.

This has been the hardest blog so far. So many things have happened to stop me from doing it. What I have found with these blog’s is, when I do them I get new insights into the subject and when I finish its like the understanding on that subject is cemented into me. I have struggled to find time to start this study. But what I have found out so far has been very interesting. It is a huge study. Probably worth its own series.

There are many Old Testament scriptures that mention Jesus and what He did on the cross. I am going to concentrate on Isaiah 53. I will also look at the New Testament for the account of what He went through.

First I want to go back to the beginning and see why Jesus did what He did.

What was life meant to be? 

As we know God creates everything. Sticks man on the earth and make’s him a wife. They are happy walking around sharing their lives with their Father. God had given them food to eat and told them to fill the earth and subdue it and take dominion over the animals. Genesis 1. God provided everything for the couple. They had relationship with Him. They where not sick. They did not worry. They where not afraid. Everything was peaceful. There is nothing to say that they where not happy with life. In genesis 1 it says that God saw all He hade made and it was good. Sounds great to me.

What Happens Next?

Satan comes into play. There are many questions in this part of our story. For now I just want to look at what happened. Satan goes to Eve and convinces her to eat the fruit. She in turn goes to Adam and does the same to him. They are now aware of their nakedness and are afraid. What does God do?

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.  And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you? And he said, I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And he said, Who told you that you were naked? (UKJV)

God calls after Adam. God is looking for Adam. Like He does with us. Adam replies in fear. The next bit I found very interesting as I think I have talked about it in one of my other blog’s. Who told you? Adam was aware of his nakedness but why was He afraid? Because he thought God would kill him. But why does it say who told you? May be after the sin, satan then carried on telling them that they would get it and that the Father would wipe them out for being so bad. Like they do with us when we sin today. Satan did tell Eve to start with that she would not die. (I say they because I am talking about the fallen angels or demons as well as satan.)

The thing to see here is God doesn’t kill them but looks after them. If you look at my wrath series I have already covered some of this.

God then tells them what will happen next as far as their lives are concerned. They then leave the garden. One thing that interests me is Jesus doesn’t mention the garden. Why? Did God kick them out or did they leave because of guilt? What about the tree of life? Jesus says He is the way the truth and the life. John 14:6. Jesus says if you eat of Him you will live. Was Jesus setting the record straight? Is this why the Jews got so upset with Him when He said He was the bread? Things to think about.

God doesn’t seam to have a problem with sin. If you continue to read on about Cain and Abel again no problem with sin. I know there are scriptures that say He does but Jesus who is the embodiment of God, when He comes to earth whom does He spend most of His time with? Something to think about. With in the so-called curse we see God mention Jesus. Where is it I hear you cry? Lets have a look:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. (UKJV)

The last bit of this verse could be about Jesus. Jesus having His heal bruised and satan’s head being bruised. Also it mentions Eves seed not Adams. Could this be in reference to Mary?

What does this mean? 

Some how we have come to believe that satan was handed all power and dominion because of this one act of sin. Some how satan is able to afflict humans with sickness and make them suffer. This is mentioned in the curse. Adam toiling and Eve suffering in childbirth. I don’t think for one moment that that is from God. I have looked and I have not be able to find anywhere in the Old Testament that says satan was given anything. In the gospels satan says to Jesus that all these kingdoms have been given to him. Luke 4:6. Had it been given or had he taken it. Remember he is a liar and a thief, a murderer from the beginning. John 8:4, 10:10. Satan was included like the others. God didn’t say Oh by the way Mr serpent here is all the kingdoms of the earth. Could it be through satans lies he manipulates man to do his bidding?

As we have seen man is afraid of God. God had to make it possible for us to come back to Him. It is in our heads that we fight the battles. God is always waiting for us and even is coming after us. All we need to do is turn.

What did Jesus do? 

God now has a problem. Man is afraid of Him and is listening more to satan than God. Sin is clearly an issue for man. Sickness and suffering is also. Lastly what to do with satan? Jesus comes to earth and lives amongst us. He then gives His life so we could know Him and His Father. He showed that He and His Father where love and loved us. He also fulfils the law. All obstacles are removed. By our terms not His. Where did He begin?

In The Garden.

This is where Jesus had to make the choice. We know that it was already decided before the world was created that Jesus would do this but this was harder. Jesus would have had all the human feelings and emotions to deal with. His whole body would have been telling Him to get out of there but He didn’t. We read in Luke 22:44 that He sweated blood because of the stress. Three times He asked His Father to take the cup and three times He submits to His Fathers will. Matthew 26:39-44. He was completely in control. It was His choice whether He gave His life or not. John 10:17-18. He had the power to wipe them out. We see some of His power in John 18:6.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. (UKJV).

Also when Peter cuts off the servants ear. Jesus could have reacted with violence but he didn’t. He even tells them what He could do.

Matthew 26:51-54 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and stroke off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? (UKJV)

It was in the garden that the first battle was won. Jesus knew what He had to do and He did it. He was in complete control.

The Beating and Barabbas. 

The accounts of this are different in the 4 gospels. One thing I thought strange is the Beating is not in Luke. I am going to look at John’s version. Jesus goes before the priests first. They then take Him to Pilate. Pilate talks to Jesus and doesn’t find anything to warrant punishment. But the Jews want blood. Pilate trying to free Jesus mentions the custom of freeing a prisoner because of the Passover. The crowd ask for Barabbas who was a criminal. Pilate then has Jesus scourged. I believe that Pilate thought if the crowd saw Jesus all bloody and beaten that they might have mercy on Him and let Him go. But it didn’t turn out that way. Before I continue I want to look at two things.

1st. Barabbas was the first person that Jesus gave His life for. Jesus took Barabbas’s place.

The people decided to free Barabbas instead of Jesus. Jesus took his place. The gospels give different accounts of his crimes. John 18:40 a robber. Matthew 27:16. Notorious. Mark 15:7, Luke 23:19 murder.  I think its safe to say he was headed for his own cross. Even before the cross Jesus the innocent takes a sinners place.

2nd. In the second conversation with Pilate, Jesus again shows His control when He says this:

John  19:10 Then says Pilate unto him, Speak you not unto me? know you not that I have power to crucify you, and have power to release you? Jesus answered, You could have no power at all against me, except it were given you from above. (UKJV)

Jesus knew to the end that He could do things His way if He wanted. But out of love He carried onto the end.

Why was Jesus Beaten? 

I had always wondered why Jesus was beaten. I understood the spitting in the face and striking Him but why bring Him to the edge of death? When I went to bible school they went into detail about what was involved. For some idea you only have to watch the Passion to see what happened. I think that was a nice version compared to what really happened. So Why?

I looked in the Old Testament for some answers. I knew that Jesus took all our sins on the cross but why the beating. I knew about the Isaiah 53 scripture by His wounds we are healed. But was there anything else. That’s when I found this:

Psalms 89:30-32 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments, If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. (UKJV)

This is clear. If you sin God will punish you with stripes. It was God then that beat up and nearly killed Jesus. NO.

In the last year of my studies and walk with God what I have found is that God is love. He would never hurt or beat anyone. Let alone His own Son. When you study the Old Testament what you find is they believed that satan was a enforcer of Gods will and righteousness. But as time went on they began to realise that satan was Gods enemy not His employee. Jesus when He came was trying to show them that. God is love, He is light, and He is truth. He cannot be or do bad in any way. That includes telling someone else to do it for Him.

What does that mean for this scripture? What does this scripture tell us? If we don’t do what God wants then we will be beaten. Priests or prophets to keep people under control could use this. Because the people would fear punishment even to death if they sin.

Isaiah 53 sums it up for us.

Isaiah 53:4,5.

53:4 Surely he has borne our sicknesses, and carried our pains: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (UKJV)

The Septuagint version is worth a look. I am not sure if I can show it for copyright reasons. The smitten of God isn’t in it.

What I have found is that satan and man are the cause of punishment and wrath in the bible not God. It was man who beat Jesus not God. It was also man who killed Him. Jesus took on the violence of man and satan so we could have a relationship with Him and His Father. Jesus was beaten to heal us but also to take the beating for our sin.

Continues in part 3….

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Conclusion.

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This has been the hardest study that I have done so far. I have been a Christian all my life and it went against everything that I had been taught. The one thing that surprises me when I think back to what I believed is that I was more comfortable believing in a God of wrath than a God of love. This has really opened my eyes. I have also begun to notice in the New Testament parts that don’t show a God of love. But I see Jesus in it all. The book of John has really helped my understanding about Jesus and what He taught about His Father.

I chose what I believed to be seven of the more known stories from the Old Testament which, on the surface, shows a God of wrath. I hope that I have given you a different look at these stories to try and find a God of love. I would recommend that you go over these studies again and just let Holy Spirit reveal the truth to you.

One thing I have realised is that I have been studying these things for over three years but you might be reading this for the first time. This is why I say take your time. Chew it over. When I first learnt these things it took me a while to understand and accept. But with Holy Spirit’s help I now am at peace with it.

What we have seen is God always warned about sin and its consequences. He doesn’t curse. He doesn’t punish. He is always there with open arms waiting for us to come. It would seem that God can be restricted in what He can do by free will. He saves, protects and makes a way for us to escape. We have also seen that satan is real and is out to destroy us in any way he can. But God is always there to rescue us. It would seem that satan in many of these stories was waiting around to pretend to be God so these men would go and destroy in Gods name. This would explain why people were scared of Israel and their prophets.

In the Cain and Abel story there was no blood sacrifice. He didn’t banish Cain. It was Cain who said about the separation. Fear of being without God is a huge tool that the enemy uses against us. For many reasons we believe that God doesn’t care or has abandoned us. But this is not true. God is always with us whether we believe or not. Ps 139:7-11, Jerm 23:23, Jn 12:47

I said in the flood story that it seemed that God repented. He didn’t say the word but in His actions toward the flood it would be classed as repentance. I have since found this scripture, which is interesting.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it? or has he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (UKJV)

God doesn’t repent. It’s clear. Which means He can’t have made the flood happen. It must have been satan. Satan wants us dead. All of us. God doesn’t.

We have seen that God doesn’t like burnt offerings or sacrifices. He doesn’t like killing or murder. One thing about the Moses story. Which I didn’t cover. When the 10 commandments are given it says thou shalt not murder etc. One of the first things that Moses does when he comes down from the mountain is get the Levites to kill 3,000 people. How is that keeping Gods commandments? Did God wipe Moses out because of this breaking of the Law? Fear, destruction, intimidation and murder seems to be a running theme through most of the bible. We need to read it through Jesus’ eyes. With love.

As we have seen from what Jesus teaches, Love is His only commandment. Jn 15:12,17. Love Him, His Father and each other.

I believe that Jesus came to undo all of what had been learnt about God. I think that Jesus showing us His love was Him showing us His Father’s true nature. After all, He is the truth. Jn 14:6.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.(UKJV)

Jesus brought us grace and truth. Not fear and lies. If we look at the scriptures they tell us this.

God is Good: Ps 119:68, Ps 107:1, Mark 10:18

God is Love:   1 Jn 4:8,16

God is Truth:  Jn 14:6, Titus 1:2, Numbers 23:19 (He can not lie)

God is Light:  James 1:17, 1 Jn1:5, Jn 8:12, 1:9, 3:19

God is good to all:

Ps 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.(UKJV)

If God is all these things and Jesus is God, which means they are one and the same, God cannot be evil, hate, tell a lie and have darkness in Him. Jesus told us many times that as you have seen Him you have seen the Father. Jn14:9. Jesus came to undo all the lies that satan had told about God.

God is Love not wrath. He wants to love you and doesn’t require any payment for it. Jesus didn’t take a God bullet for us. He took away all the obstacles so that we could know the Father and His love.

I hope that this series of studies will help you to see that God loves and there is no wrath or evil in Him. Jesus came to show us that. I believe there is no wrath in God and all the evil and wrath in the bible is only from satan. Man does play his part in some of that evil but only by the influence of the enemy.

Know this. No matter what you do God loves you. No matter where you go God loves you. No matter who you are there is a place for you with Him for all time.

God is waiting for us to accept His love and realise that He has always loved us and will never leave us.

What do you believe? Is God wrathful? Or is He Love?

I know which one I believe.

My prayer for you, whether you believe or not, is that God will show His love to you in a way which you have never known before. I am not asking you to become a Christian nor am I trying to ram it down your throat. God loves you, Jesus loves you and Holy Spirit loves you, they are waiting for you to come into their arms so they can reveal themselves to you. Holy Spirit will help you. All you need to do is ask Him.

Like I always say. Test these things and don’t just take my word for it. I am sharing these things because of the freedom they have brought me.

May God bless you and keep you.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Seven.

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The Ten Plagues of Egypt.

This is my final story that I will be looking at. This was another hard one to do because of how iconic it is and how much it says that God instructed Moses to do what he did. From the very start at the burning bush, I have questions about this whole story.

I am going to be looking at the story from the burning bush to the last plague. I am not going over all of the text, as there is quite a lot to cover. Just the parts for this study. Lets have a look at the story from the old testaments point of view.

Exodus 3 is where we begin.

Moses is looking after his father-in-laws sheep when he comes to a mountain called “the mountain of God”. Unlike the cartoon version, Moses is not in a cave. The angel of the lord shows up in a bush on fire and tells Moses that he is standing on holy ground. They then have a conversation about the cry of Israel and how God wants Moses to tell Pharaoh to let His people go. Moses finds out Gods name. Even after seeing a stick turn into a snake and his hand withered Moses still isn’t keen, because he stutters. God says Moses can take Aaron along but Moses has to get Israel free from pharaoh.

Moses goes off and tells the elders with Aaron. They then go to pharaoh and the battle for Israel’s freedom begins. Ten plagues later and pharaoh kicks Moses and his people out. They then go off and the story continues.

This is the quick version. You can read the whole story from Exodus 3.

A few things that got my interest before we carry on.

The snake, the plunder and the Withered hand.

First I noticed the withered hand. Why would God wither Moses hand? He already showed Moses the snake stick. Surely the people would believe with out having to have Moses hand withered. Surely that would be enough for any man to convince them it was God that Moses had talked to. Exodus 4:1-9.

Straight after the snake, Moses hand is withered. God then says if that doesn’t convince the people then throw water on the ground and it will become blood.

Why would God turn a rod into a snake (the form that satan used in the garden) Gen 3:1. wither Moses hand and then say to turn water into blood. It doesn’t seem right to me. The snake clearly scared Moses.

EX 4:3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.(UKJV)

Then his hand is withered. This doesn’t seem like a God of love to me. Surely God would have changed the rod into an eagle. Something less threatening. It could have something to do with the Egyptian gods but why would God scare Moses. Another thing of interest is the plunder. God strikes Egypt with ten plagues then robs them. It doesn’t add up to me. Here is something else which is strange.

EX 4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband are you to me. 4:26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband you are, because of the circumcision.(UKJV)

This has always confused me. I have had a look to see what it says on the Internet and I think I know why. Moses son had not been circumcised. Because of this sin and because of the new leadership role, being the new spiritual father of Israel, could this be why God wanted Moses dead? Even though God had just given him the instruction to set Israel free? Does that make sense?

The plagues.

Ten in total. Not very nice. Moses goes to pharaoh, asks for his people to be let go. Pharaoh says no. Each time until the last, a new plague comes as a punishment to pharaoh and his people for defying Gods wishes. The interesting thing about the plagues is that Israel suffered some of them as well. If you look, there are only a few that say that Israel was separated from the plague. Another interesting thing is on the second plague pharaoh tells Moses to go and take the Israelites with him.

EX 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, Implore the LORD, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may do sacrifice unto the LORD.(UKJV)

He implores Moses. The frogs go then God hardens his heart. From the start of this God says to Moses that He will harden pharaoh’s heart. Doesn’t quite seem fair to me. EX4:21. Also God said early on about the tenth plague.

EX 4:22 And you shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: 4:23 And I say unto you, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your son, even your firstborn.(UKJV)

That makes Israel Gods firstborn. But what about Adam? Wasn’t he Gods first born?

What did Jesus teach or say about Moses?

Jesus references Moses to the leper. Matt 8:4, there is the transfiguration story. Moses comes to visit Jesus. Matt 17:3 there is the reference to what Moses says about divorce and death, Mark 10:3, 12:19. Matthew, Mark and Luke talk about the same references.

There are many references to Moses in the gospels but Jesus doesn’t mention the ten plagues. He does mention the burning bush passage but only in Mark 12:26 and Luke 20:37. The Matthew account does hint to it but doesn’t say it the same as the other two. Moses law is mentioned also. Luke 2:22, 24:44, John 1:17, 1:45.

How would Jesus have dealt with this?

Jesus would have warned the Israelites to flee Egypt. He wouldn’t want anyone to suffer or die. Even His enemies. Jesus tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. He wouldn’t want them to suffer. Matt 5:43. He would have told Moses not to send the plagues, like He did with the sons of thunder, when they wanted to call down the fire from heaven. He wouldn’t have been waiting to kill Moses after asking him to go to pharaoh. He also wouldn’t have withered Moses hand to convince people who He was. He would have healed not hurt.

What do I Believe? 

I believe it wasn’t God in the bush. WHAT? I hear you cry. Why would God use a snake and wither Moses hand. It scared Moses. I don’t think God is into scaring people. Also you have the plunder and the blood. Doesn’t sound like God to me.

Update: 24.08.2016

It was brought to my attention that Jesus calls himself I AM. Jn 8:58 which I believe is in reference to Exodus 3:14. This caused me a lot of problems because Jesus acknowledges that He was there and that I AM is Gods name. That means that it must have been God talking in the burning bush. After much prayer I think I have come up with a possible solution. In chapter 3 God tells Moses that He has heard the cry of His people and He wants to do something about it. He says He will deliver them in verse 8. The sign that God says first is that the people will serve God on this mountain.

Ex 3:12 And he said, Truly I will be with you; and this will be the sign to you that I have sent you: when you have taken the children of Israel out of Egypt, you will give worship to God on this mountain.(BBE)

So far there is no God of wrath. It’s only towards the end of this chapter that God says He will smite Egypt with His wonders. That shows that its God that sends the Plagues. But why would He say that the sign to Moses would be the people serving Him on the mountain after they are free. Could it be that God stopped talking and satan took over. We are told by Jesus that false Christ’s will deceive the elect. Matt 24:24, Mk13:22. Paul tells us that satan goes around like an angel of light. 2 Corth 11:14. Could it be that it was satan that continued where God left off. satan could have been waiting in the wings for God to finish so he could have his way. Like I have said before satan gave David instruction as if from God. From the smiting onwards I believe that it was satan talking to Moses. That would explain the fear of the snake, the withered hand and the plagues.

He has been trying to wipe out mankind since Adam. Why would he not try and do it now. Why else would the rod turn into a snake and the withered hand? God does not inflict sickness on people. Especially not to convince them to do His will. What about Job I here you cry. That is a study for another time. But I will say that I don’t think it was God then either. I don’t think it was God who wanted to kill Moses before he even started. Why the circumcised flesh stopped the angel I don’t know. May be it was all to reinforce the law.

I believe that satan influenced Moses to inflict the plagues so that he could destroy the Egyptians and the Israelites at the same time. It might have been satan who caused the plagues but it also could have been Moses. There are other accounts of people commanding the elements. Joshua stopping the sun. Joshua 10:12. Joshua told the sun to stop, God didn’t tell him to do it. Elijah and the rain. 1 kings 17:1. Elijah told the rain to stop not God. God didn’t command Elijah to do it. In the New Testament Paul makes a man blind. Acts 13:11. The sons of thunder wanted to call down fire from heaven but Jesus stopped them. Luke 9:54. Could it be that Moses had the power to command these things? God did say in Genesis that we where to subdue the earth and have dominion over the animals. Could it be that Moses used that power to do these plagues? The only exception would be the tenth plague.

I believe that the tenth plague was satan trying to kill all the first born. May be to in-rage pharaoh to kill the Israelites. It did make him go after the Israelites and chase them to the sea. As far as the blood on the posts. I don’t believe that God wanted that. God could have stopped the angel with out the need for sacrifice. As we know in my other blog’s I have said that God doesn’t like sacrifice and offerings.

I believe that God was trying to warn Moses about the plagues and the destruction of Egypt. May be satan spared the Hebrews from some of the plagues to in-rage pharaoh even more. I think that it was all a plan from satan to try and kill the Israelites because they were Gods chosen people at the time. God got the Hebrews out in the end but I don’t think He wanted it to go the way it did. God had blessed Egypt when Joseph was there, why would he want to send the plagues? Some might say as revenge for the Hebrew children that where killed by the other pharaoh. But God isn’t like that. We see that in Jesus on the cross.

There is so much more that we could look at in this story but I would like to bring it to a close here. God would not have sent the plagues or withered Moses hand. I don’t think He would have used a snake to show His power. God is love. Perfect love. Perfect love casts out all fear. 1 Jn 4:18 any thing that is evil in action or destroys and lies is from satan not from God. James tells us an interesting thing:

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tested, I am tested by God; for it is not possible for God to be tested by evil, and he himself puts no man to such a test:14 But every man is tested when he is turned out of the right way by the attraction of his desire. 15 Then when its time comes, desire gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is of full growth, gives birth to death.16 Do not be turned from the right way, dear brothers.(BBE)

God does not test. He doesn’t use evil to test. God didn’t send the plagues nor did He harden Pharaohs heart. God is love. He doesn’t send suffering to train us in His ways.

The running theme of this story is fear, intimidation, suffering and violence. All caused by God? Is that the God you worship?

In my next blog I will give my concluding thoughts.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Six.

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David and Goliath.

This is like the last story. There is no out right sin or need for rescue. I thought it would be an easy one to do but I was wrong. I only put it with the others because it’s a well-known story. I have found out some interesting things. Lets have a look.

The story.

We start in 1 Sam 16.   Samuel, who everyone is scared of, has anointed David king secretly.  1 Sam 16:4. God didn’t like Saul so has given the kingdom over to David. A spirit from God is tormenting Saul. David plays for Saul to ease the suffering. The Philistines have set up camp and are getting ready for battle with Saul and his armies. Goliath who is very tall and a mighty warrior comes and says if any one can defeat him then the battle is theirs. But he mocks them and isn’t very nice about it. Along comes David and says how dare he mock the armies of God. He also asks what rewards the man who slays Goliath will get. 1 Sam 17:12-31. One of David’s brothers who David was bringing supplies to, tells David off and says he has pride and a naughty heart. David continues anyway. Saul hears and tries to put David in his armour as David convinces Saul to send him out against Goliath. David goes with his stones and sling. Goliath mocks him and his God, at which point David replies and knocks Goliath out and then chops his head off. The Philistine’s freak and David and Israel win.

That is the only part of this story I want to look at. There is a lot more but I am only interested in this part.

A few things caught my attention. First everyone is scared of Samuel. Isn’t he meant to be a prophet of God? Why would they be scared of Samuel? It might have something to do with Samuel slaying kings in the name of the Lord. Just for one example:-

1 Sam 15:32   Then said Samuel, Bring all of you here to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past. 15:33 And Samuel said, As the sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.(UKJV)

This is another study all by itself, but I don’t want to get into this now. Another thing is that God didn’t like Saul as king anymore so He chooses David instead and inflicts Saul with a troubling spirit. 1 Sam 16:14.Was David asking about the reward? Also his brother’s response to what David was saying. We all know that God loved David because of his heart but in verse 28 his brother isn’t very complementary to David.

1 Sam 17:28  And Eliab his eldest brother heard when he spoke unto the men; and Eliab’s anger was kindled against David, and he said, Why came you down here? and with whom have you left those few sheep in the wilderness? I know your pride, and the naughtiness of your heart; for you are come down that you might see the battle.(UKJV)

I decided to look into this more because it doesn’t show David in a very good light. I had a look in the Septuagint. To my surprise this verse wasn’t in it. In fact there were a few verses missing from this story in the Septuagint. These are the missing scriptures:1 Sam 17: 12-31,41,51,55-58, 18:1-5,9-11, 17-19,30

I am not going to look at all of them, just the one that I think is relevant to this study.

1 Sam 17: 12-31. This tells us of why David comes to the camp. David is asking about the reward and his brother’s remarks are included. Take this away and David’s heart is not put into question. Which I think is important. It doesn’t show David to be reward driven or full of pride.

This to me was the only one, which I thought interesting in light of this study. Why the Septuagint doesn’t have it I don’t know. I find it interesting that the modern day translations include it when the Septuagint is said to be older than the others and is quoted a lot by Jesus and His disciples. But that is a study for another time.

Did Jesus teach or speak about David and Goliath?

David is mentioned in the genealogies. Jesus is called “the son of David” a few times. Jesus talks about when David was hungry. Jesus also says in a way that He is not David’s son. Because David calls Jesus lord. Maybe Jesus was trying to set them straight about calling Him David’s son. It might also be that they where expecting a conquering king to come and save them like David was. May be Jesus was trying to separate Him self from that image. Mark 12:35,Luke 6:3, Luke 18:38.

Jesus didn’t say anything about Goliath. But He did teach about loving your enemy and turning the other cheek. Matt 5:39,43,44. Jesus would not have gone to war or sent David out against Goliath. Jesus would have loved them. How He would have shown that I am not sure. But He wouldn’t have told David to cut off Goliath’s Head.

I believe that Samuel did things, which God didn’t ask him to. Like slaying the king. Even when it looks like the king was pleading for his life. It was the people that demanded a king not that God wanted them to have one. 1 Sam 8. It was God they rejected. The people where scared of Samuel because of the way he brought wrath against them. I don’t think that was from God. I don’t think the spirit that tormented Saul was from God.

I believe that David saw how Goliath was talking about his God and felt offended by it. Like we would be if we heard someone say bad things about our loved ones. Because David had had success defeating lions and bears he probably thought that Goliath would be no different. God didn’t tell David to slay Goliath. Was God with David when he did? Well it does say that the Spirit of the Lord was with David. 1 Sam 16:13. If he had died then Jesus would have no line to be born from. May be God was with David to protect him from death. Did satan organise the fight thinking that Goliath would win? After all satan is trying to kill off Jesus’ line. satan would have known which of David’s buttons to push. In sending Goliath satan would have known how David would respond. I believe that God wouldn’t have wanted David to be in that fight. May be there is a choice and consequence here. David should have been looking after the sheep not fighting. He hears the rants of Goliath and instead of leaving it to Saul’s men David seeks to sort it out himself. Saul did try to put him off. But David wasn’t having it. Could it be that God used Saul to try and stop David from fighting? God would have known the outcome. Would it have stopped David becoming a man of war instead of a man of worship and peace?

With all these stories I am trying to look at them from Jesus’ point of view and God’s point of view with love. Would a God of love have a prophet that scares people? Would He command young lads to go up against mighty warriors to chop off their heads and kill lots of people. These are the questions we need to ask when we read the old and new testaments. As I have said before the bible is the inspired word of God not the literal word of God. I have had to re-think my idea of the bible to be able to look at the bible through Gods eyes. Holy Spirit needs to come first. He will help you to understand and see the truth. It isn’t easy but with Holy Spirit’s help you will see God in a new way, which will blow your mind and heal your heart.

In my next blog I will look at my last story about the 10 plagues of Egypt.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Five.

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Abraham sacrificing Isaac.

 

This is an interesting story, which I have been looking forward to doing since I started. The reason is, the scriptures I found from Jesus’ teaching. We will start with the story.

Genesis 22 is where we begin. God visits Abraham when Isaac is a young lad. He is old enough to carry his own wood but there is no record of how old he is. God tells Abraham to go to the mountains and offer his only son as a sacrifice to the Lord. Abraham packs his stuff and they all go off to do this. Keeping his intent to himself Abraham commands the two young men that went with them to stay, while him and his son go up the mountain. Once there, Isaac says “where is the lamb for the sacrifice?” Gen 22:7. Abraham replies that God will provide. Isaac is bound to the altar. Abraham takes his knife and just before he is about to kill his son God shouts at him to stop and provides him with a lamb to sacrifice. God then sees Abraham’s willingness to give up his son and blesses him. Abraham calls the place God will provide.

I want to look at a few scriptures before I look at what Jesus says about Abraham.

First: Jeremiah 32:35 “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”(UKJV)

It never came into Gods mind to sacrifice children or burn them. God calls this a sin! Interesting.

Next:Hosea 6:6” For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings”(UKJV)

Psalms 40:6” Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; mine ears have you opened: burnt offering and sin offering have you not required.”(UKJV)

Psalms 51:16” For you desire not sacrifice; else would I give it: you delight not in burnt offering.” 51:17” The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.”(UKJV)

These are but a few of what I found. I get the impression that God doesn’t like sacrifices or burnt offerings. If we think about Cain and Abel, their offerings were the first fruits. Nothing with blood in it had to die.

In Psalms 40:6 it says that sin offerings are not required. WHAT. Why did Jesus die then if no offering was needed for sin? Jesus died so that satan, death and sin could have no more hold over us. It was for us that Jesus died. To meet our requirements not Gods. God, Jesus and Holy Spirit covered all the bases so that there could be nothing in the way for us to be with them.

In Psalms 51 all God requires is a broken spirit and a contrite heart. Not burnt flesh or child sacrifice. Lets have a look at what Jesus taught or said about Abraham and His response to sacrifices and burnt offerings.

There are a few references to Abraham in the genealogies. John the Baptist mentions Abraham. Plus a few more. The one I am interested in is in John 8.

John 8:19 “Then said they unto him, ‘Where is your Father?’ Jesus answered, all of you neither know me, nor my Father: if all of you had known me, all of you should have known my Father also.”(UKJV)

8:37” I know that all of you are Abraham’s seed; but all of you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you. 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and all of you do that which all of you have seen with your father. 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus says unto them, If all of you were Abraham’s children, all of you would do the works of Abraham. 8:40 But now all of you seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.”(UKJV)

This could be a study by its self and there is more but I wanted to concentrate on this bit. First Jesus says that they don’t know Him or His father. He then goes on to talk about Abraham. Jesus says that satan is their father. It’s the last bit that interests me.

v40 ‘Abraham did not do this.’ (NKJV) Abraham was not like them. He didn’t want to kill. Jesus is saying they don’t know God and they don’t know Abraham, for if they did they would love Jesus. Another scripture before I tell you what I believe.

Mark 12:32 “And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, you have said the truth: for there is one God; and there is no other but he: 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, You are not far from the kingdom of God”(UKJV)

The scribe is agreeing with Jesus and sees that love is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. Jesus replies by saying the scribe is not far from the kingdom. Does Jesus agree that love is more important than sacrifices?

Jesus knew God and He knew that the burnt offerings and sacrifices were not required. I believe Jesus wouldn’t have asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son just to prove to Jesus that Abraham loved Him. Jesus wants us to love Him but I don’t believe that we have to go to such drastic measures to prove it to Him. For God so loved the world. It doesn’t say God wants us to prove to Him that we love Him and then He will send His Son. God loved us first. We don’t have to prove it to Him.

I believe that satan told Abraham to kill his son. I believe that satan wanted Abraham’s line to be stopped so Jesus would not be born. He convinced Abraham to do this. Then God stepped in and stopped Abraham. In the story God then says He will bless Abraham for being willing to kill his son. I don’t believe that God would bless Abraham for nearly killing his only son. God had already said He would bless Abraham. Gen 17:4. Was this satan? I don’t know?

The more I do this study the more I see that all the law and offerings and sacrifices were not Gods idea. He never was angry with us or wrathful. He has never needed us to satisfy His need for offering etc, because He doesn’t like them. I believe its us that puts all these things in His way. He is just waiting for us to let go and come back to Him. He is waiting with open arms.

In my next blog I will look at David and Goliath.

A wrathful God or A God of Love? Part Four.

Image8Sodom and Gomorrah. 

Before I start I would recommend you look over the last three posts and ask Holy Spirit to speak to you and help you to understand. I do recognize that this is a hard thing to understand. I am not saying that the bible should never be read again. What I am trying to show you is what a God of love would do. Jesus tells us that as we have seen Him we have seen the Father. Jn 14:9. With every story or account in the bible, what I would suggest is you ask, what would Jesus do? Lets begin.

God has visited Abraham and told him and Sarah that they will have a son. They have all eaten together and two angels that came with the Lord are heading to Sodom. The Lord then tells Abraham what He is going to do. Gen 18:20. Abraham then begins to plead for the city beginning with 50 righteous men. He continues pleading with the Lord until he stops at 10. Why he stopped at 10 I don’t know. As Lot was classed as righteous. 2 peter 2:7. The two angels go to get Lot. They meet and Lot hides them in his house so they don’t get attacked. The angels protect them and they all flee. Lot’s wife looks back and turns to salt. Lot’s rescued and the city is destroyed.

With the other stories so far there has been a point where God has warned them. A chance to be saved from satan and his mischief. With this story I couldn’t think where that was until now. When the angels go to Lots house they ask him if he has any other family members who needed to be rescued. Lot then goes to find them and tells them to flee with him. They do not. They think he is joking. Gen 19:14. There is the chance to be rescued.

Before I continue with what I believe I thought we could look at another time when fire came down from heaven. Job 1:16. Satan goes to God and they begin to talk about Job. God gives satan permission to destroy all Job has and make him sick. I don’t have time to go into what I believe about this story here but I want to concentrate on the fire from heaven bit. That’s in Job 1:16.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and has burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell you.(UKJV)

Clearly it says Gods fire. But if we look in the Septuagint God is removed. It just says fire from heaven.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came another messenger, and said to Job, Fire has fallen from heaven, and burnt up the sheep, and devoured the shepherds like wise; and I having escaped alone am come to tell thee (SEPT)

I looked at the translation of heaven and it could mean sky. In this scripture we have satan bringing down fire onto Job’s sheep and servants. I know it doesn’t out rightly say that it’s satan doing it, but it does say that God gave all that Job had into satan’s power. Job 1:12, which would suggest that satan can bring down fire from the sky.

I had a look to see if Jesus spoke or taught about Sodom. Jesus does mention Sodom in Matthew, Luke and Mark. But not in John. The references in the first three gospels are to do with judgement and repentance. That still shows God as a wrathful judge. Jesus also mentions Sodom when He talks about His return. Interestingly there is no mention of Sodom in John. Fire and Heaven are not mentioned either. One scripture that does give us an insight to how Jesus feels about fire from heaven is Luke 9:52-56

Luke 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, will you that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did? 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, All of you know not what manner of spirit all of you are of. 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village(UKJV)

You do not know what spirit you are of. He has not come to destroy but to save. As we know Jesus has said, “As you have seen Me you have seen the Father”. If Jesus would not call down fire from heaven, why do we then think that God would.

In Matt 26:52-54 we see how Jesus could have acted if He wanted.

Matt 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 26:53 Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?(UKJV)

Jesus knew He had to die for the world, but He also knew the power of His Father. He chooses not to wipe out the whole area with all those angels. He chooses love over violence.

I don’t believe Jesus would have left those people to die. I think He would have found a way to save them and ultimately He did. He stopped the sons of thunder bringing down fire and He didn’t get the angels to wipe out the garden or the city. Because of Love.

I believe that God went to Abraham to warn him of what was coming. Abraham then interceded for Sodom. I believe that satan wanted to kill Abraham and might have tried to get him to go and rescue Lot. satan knew that Abraham had done this before. Gen 14:12. If He could kill Lot and Abraham then Jesus’ line would be cut and there would be no chance of satan’s head being bruised. Also satan wants to kill everyone. The angels are sent to get Lot. Lot then tells his family what is coming. They don’t believe Him and they die. Lot escapes, loses his wife and survives. But Sodom and Gomorrah are destroyed. God gave them a way out. May be the angels wanting to be in the square, was that they where going to tell the people what was going to happen.

This is another example of trying to see the story through the eyes of love. I believe that if God is love then He cannot be violent or make anyone do violence on His behalf. There is no room for compromise.

In my next blog I will look at Abraham sacrificing Isaac.